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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Why was the Constitution written Reply with quote
Very simple
To restrain the Federal Government
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wrong.

It was written to ensure checks and balances in the federal government.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are we reading the same Constitution? I could have sworn there were also things like guarantees of rights in there or something. Minor details though, I guess.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
shankarsingam wrote:
Wrong.

It was written to ensure checks and balances in the federal government.
Yes that would be restraining the federal government
the checks and balances are supposed to restrain the government
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: Why was the Constitution written Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Very simple
To restrain the Federal Government

I agree.

Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"Still one thing more, fellow citizens — a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities."
Notice he says nothing about govt charity.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

and he believed that liberty is a gift from God:
The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time.

I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground: That "all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people." To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specially drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible of any definition.

and Thomas Paine sums it all up with this;
That government is best which governs least.


Libs have NO sympathy ZERO respect for the principles on which this nation was founded.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Toxic wrote:
Are we reading the same Constitution? I could have sworn there were also things like guarantees of rights in there or something. Minor details though, I guess.

You people!
The rights and guarantees are to protect US FROM THE GOVT!!!!!

Hello!!!???
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have plenty of respect for it. I just don't think it needs to be followed dot-on-the-i, cross-on-the-t strictly. And you're both wrong. Go read the Constitution. It's not simply to restrain the government.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I have plenty of respect for it. I just don't think it needs to be followed dot-on-the-i, cross-on-the-t strictly. And you're both wrong. Go read the Constitution. It's not simply to restrain the government.

you have no respect for the constitution. every plank of the liberal platform is a violation of the constitution.
you people are so far from Jefferson.....well I guess that is stating the obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Every plank? Name some, please.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Every plank? Name some, please.
Foreign Aid, Welfare, Affirmative action, Mccain Feingold restriction of free speech,
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What about them? The fourth one is that only one remotely close to me comprehending as having anything to do with the Constitution.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What about them? The fourth one is that only one remotely close to me comprehending as having anything to do with the Constitution.
Restricting free speech
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Foreign aid, welfare, and affirmative action are restricting speech?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Please tell me where the defense of Marriage Act, the Patriot Act, the U.S. military, have their place in the constitution.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anym wrote:
Please tell me where the defense of Marriage Act, the Patriot Act, the U.S. military, have their place in the constitution.
Military for general welfare and necessary and proper clause for defense against foreign enemies
marriage act ??
Patriot Act no place
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