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Who Would You Like to See Win the Democratic Nomination for President?
Evan Bayh
6%
 6%  [ 1 ]
Joe Biden
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Wesley Clark
12%
 12%  [ 2 ]
Hillary Rodham Clinton
12%
 12%  [ 2 ]
John Edwards
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Al Gore
25%
 25%  [ 4 ]
John Kerry
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Barack Obama
43%
 43%  [ 7 ]
Bill Richardson
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Tom Vilsack
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Total Votes : 16

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CryxicKiller
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
I really don't think running someone who's already lost is the best strategy... I see the points about Obama, though.


Well people seemed to have warmed up to Gore in the past few years. Plus, unlike Nixon, Gore actually won the popular vote. My only worry is that people are getting all excited about Hillary and Obama and forgetting that, in all likelihood, they will not be the Democratic candidates. This always happens in Presidential cycles: people focus on potential candidates that do crap in the end (ie Dean in 2004). Gore, Vilsack, Biden...it'll be one of those...or somebody who nobody is focusing on right now.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller wrote:
Obama's great and all but.....Senators don't really have a good track record in Presidential elections. This is just as significant a fact in evaluating his chances for the White House as his race. That's why I'm hoping for somebody like Gore or Vilsack to run...old and quaint, but both more likely to win than some Senators.


This is true about senators, but you have to factor in the reason why. It's because they can attack the person and their voting record. Obama has not had an extensive record yet, so there is not much spin to be made from it. The repukes can't yet inflict a damaging character assassination.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Their prolonged presence in Washington also has something to do with their (usual) failures in Presidential elections. Whatever the reason is, I just don't want a Senator to run, although I have a hunch that Biden might do something big.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
I really don't think running someone who's already lost is the best strategy... I see the points about Obama, though.


Well people seemed to have warmed up to Gore in the past few years. Plus, unlike Nixon, Gore actually won the popular vote. My only worry is that people are getting all excited about Hillary and Obama and forgetting that, in all likelihood, they will not be the Democratic candidates. This always happens in Presidential cycles: people focus on potential candidates that do crap in the end (ie Dean in 2004). Gore, Vilsack, Biden...it'll be one of those...or somebody who nobody is focusing on right now.


I guess Gore could have a chance, I think he needs to stick up for what he feels and show voters he has a personality, people hate to vote for empty suits. And make sure he can kick the "Sore/Loserman" image...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What about Arnold Schwarchenegger? He'd be brilliant.

Is he conservative or liberal? i forget...
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
What about Arnold Schwarchenegger? He'd be brilliant.

Is he conservative or liberal? i forget...


except he is not from this country, has nazi ties (after bush i want no one with nazi ties running the country) and he is a republican.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 4:55 pm    Post subject: Race Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
okay...the racism thing. i work at a bar and know a lot of people who could give two shits about politics. i can not even count how many times i have heard something to the effect of "did you hear that some n$%%*# is running for president." wait until these idiots figure out that he ia moslem.

why in fact was bush able to get the votes he did?

because the republicans rallied the whacko evangelicals with hate in the spring of 2004. there is not any way in hell bush would have won with out the gay marriage disaster of 2004. all of these evangelical people came out and voted against gay marriage and for bush, and were instructed to by their spiritual manipulators. remember when the vatican issued a statement telling priests to deny people the eucharist who support abortion? this is why bush won (plus vote stealing and disinfranchisment)


The race issue is overblown. I was born and raised in Bushnell, FL, a small racist and ultra-conservative town. This is a town in which cows probably outnumber people 5 to 1. My father taught me to be racist. In fact, both he and my younger sister still use the 'n' word. However, they are both Democrats, and both would vote for Obama. It's weird, I know. I'm not implying this is the norm. I realize that most racist voters do not vote for Democrats. However, there is no evidence that would suggest having a black candidate run would embolden racist voters. The war, as it did in 2004, emboldens more rural voters than does race. In fact, as noted on Chris Matthews today, many moderate/independent voters may vote for Obama to show that the assumption that white voters would not vote for a black candidate is inaccurate. It can actually have the opposite effect.

Remember, we do have a perfect example from which to draw conclusions. Take the recent Tennessee Senate race between Corker and Ford, a black man (an African-American with a family background involving slavery, unlike Obama). Yes, the 56% of active registered Tennessee voters was a record for midterm elections. However, given the national spotlight on the contest and the fact that a gay marriage amendment was on the ballot, is 56% enough to imply that voters were passionate in voting "against" a black candidate? Absolutely not. In fact, Ford came within three percentage points IN TENNESSEE.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You know...i don't want to try and be stupid or anything but can you honestly say President Obama without wanting to chuckle a bit. Anyway he'd get my vote.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 7:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Race Reply with quote
DraftObama.org wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
okay...the racism thing. i work at a bar and know a lot of people who could give two shits about politics. i can not even count how many times i have heard something to the effect of "did you hear that some n$%%*# is running for president." wait until these idiots figure out that he ia moslem.

why in fact was bush able to get the votes he did?

because the republicans rallied the whacko evangelicals with hate in the spring of 2004. there is not any way in hell bush would have won with out the gay marriage disaster of 2004. all of these evangelical people came out and voted against gay marriage and for bush, and were instructed to by their spiritual manipulators. remember when the vatican issued a statement telling priests to deny people the eucharist who support abortion? this is why bush won (plus vote stealing and disinfranchisment)


The race issue is overblown. I was born and raised in Bushnell, FL, a small racist and ultra-conservative town. This is a town in which cows probably outnumber people 5 to 1. My father taught me to be racist. In fact, both he and my younger sister still use the 'n' word. However, they are both Democrats, and both would vote for Obama. It's weird, I know. I'm not implying this is the norm. I realize that most racist voters do not vote for Democrats. However, there is no evidence that would suggest having a black candidate run would embolden racist voters. The war, as it did in 2004, emboldens more rural voters than does race. In fact, as noted on Chris Matthews today, many moderate/independent voters may vote for Obama to show that the assumption that white voters would not vote for a black candidate is inaccurate. It can actually have the opposite effect.

Remember, we do have a perfect example from which to draw conclusions. Take the recent Tennessee Senate race between Corker and Ford, a black man (an African-American with a family background involving slavery, unlike Obama). Yes, the 56% of active registered Tennessee voters was a record for midterm elections. However, given the national spotlight on the contest and the fact that a gay marriage amendment was on the ballot, is 56% enough to imply that voters were passionate in voting "against" a black candidate? Absolutely not. In fact, Ford came within three percentage points IN TENNESSEE.


The tough part about the race issue is that nobody will be able to take an accuate poll... few people would come out and say "I don't like him because he's black" because people are getting quieter and more reserved about their racism. But the Tennessee example is a good point, and certainly a source of hope.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I like Obama but I fear we live in a nation that is not open minded enough for him to be elected. My 1st choice is Gore, followed by Edwards.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd thoroughly enjoy seeing a Clark/Feingold ticket. But I don't think they stand a chance. In fact, I dont really think alot of folks do.

Obama, Obama, Obama my ASS. He has no major legislation to his name and only been in the game for 22 months, around about. He's a fresh, positive face with alot of potential, but if it's true that he's really contemplating jumping on Hillary's bandwagon ... well, i just don't think those 2 are on the same page.

tbc.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
we should be concentrating more on local elections

by the way i believe obama is half white
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Amin wrote:
we should be concentrating more on local elections

by the way i believe obama is half white


He is half white on his mothers side but the the press likes the african american story line so you wont hear much about that from them. You will hear it from the Rove types though. They will use it to show the crackers from the south that the blacks are coming after their women. It will work, just like it did with Harold Ford.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Barack Obama = Bad idea.

They just got some guys out of no where to run and this is that "Guy"

He's not even black! He's half black and half white.

So, If youre voting cause they never had a black guy for president, then why vote for him? If I were to vote I would vote for a black guy. Not a random half black and half white guy.

I would'nt mind if he mindve been half black and half asian maybe. But half white? You my as well vote for a white person again or that bull**** woman that running.

If I were to vote. I would vote for someone that wasnt randomly picked between a bunch of old men and stuff. Still, There isnt anyone like thbat running or are able to run either.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Noureddin wrote:
Barack Obama = Bad idea.

They just got some guys out of no where to run and this is that "Guy"

He's not even black! He's half black and half white.

So, If youre voting cause they never had a black guy for president, then why vote for him? If I were to vote I would vote for a black guy. Not a random half black and half white guy.


If anyone is planning to vote on the basis of race, we ought to banish them for the sake of our civilization. That sort of stupidity in voters can only lead to bad things.

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I would'nt mind if he mindve been half black and half asian maybe. But half white? You my as well vote for a white person again or that bull**** woman that running.


Why does race matter at all?

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If I were to vote. I would vote for someone that wasnt randomly picked between a bunch of old men and stuff. Still, There isnt anyone like thbat running or are able to run either.


It's not random at all. Obama is a good orator, and he looks very presidential.

Not that those are good reasons to vote for anyone, but those are the most obvious factors that make him attractive.
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