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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But my point is that our government is corrupt now. Why would they be in favor of something that could potentially steal that opportunity from them....unless there was a promise of all new uncharted territories of corruption that would be available to them? Plus why are they doing it covertly. It steals States' Rights! AND There are many states now that are opposing this. We need to get cleaned up before this is doable.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But my point is that our government is corrupt now. Why would they be in favor of something that could potentially steal that opportunity from them....unless there was a promise of all new uncharted territories of corruption that would be available to them? Plus why are they doing it covertly. It steals States' Rights! AND There are many states now that are opposing this. We need to get cleaned up before this is doable.


This has to be done by the will of the people.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
'The people' lack the imagination to know where such things lead. I, for one, don't trust them with these decisions.

Basically, i'm of the mind that it's the right course of action, with or without the agreement of the electorate.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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'The people' lack the imagination to know where such things lead. I, for one, don't trust them with these decisions.

Basically, i'm of the mind that it's the right course of action, with or without the agreement of the electorate.


And I have faith in the American sensibility. Sooner or later it will kick in, or, at least it always has in the past.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And I have faith in the American sensibility.


What can go wrong, will go wrong.

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Sooner or later it will kick in, or, at least it always has in the past.


Like when?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Like when?


The Revolutionary War, The Civil War, any of the great movents that have come about through either labor or agricultual movements. My favorite being the populist movement of the 20's and 30's. And the American peoples will to finally stop the war in Vietnam. All of these events helped to shape policy in this country even if it was in contrast to what the central government wanted.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I don't get it. What's the problem with world government?


In this particular instance it dilutes our work force, even de-values it.


While increasing other workforces, forming an equality that should have been in place from day one.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I won't have it. Vote Ron Paul if you are against the Noth American Union and world government. He knows all about this and wants to stop it.

The problem with world government now is that there is no place to escape for those that don't want it. It also isn't beneficial because the world is still too big. Once technology makes traveling from the other side of the planet an hours flight and once we start colonizing space and adding several planets to human kind will world government be beneficial for the people. It sounds science fictiony i know.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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'The people' lack the imagination to know where such things lead. I, for one, don't trust them with these decisions.


Whoa! I empathize with your view of the people however I still trust them and feel obligated to ask for their vote even if i didn't.
and i trust the people over government anyday. hence "give me a jury. not the judge."

Out of curiosity...

What can people all over Earth do from your point of view to convince you that they are up to par to make decisions on the future of the Earth's government? (mandatory civics classes, certain level of eduction to vote,???)

and what have these decision makers done/shown you to make you sooo trusting of them over the people?

exton wrote:
Basically, i'm of the mind that it's the right course of action, with or without the agreement of the electorate.


Whoa!

Lester wrote:
Xerxes wrote:
exton wrote:
I don't get it. What's the problem with world government?


In this particular instance it dilutes our work force, even de-values it.


While increasing other workforces, forming an equality that should have been in place from day one.


we are looking out for the interest of the U.S. while you are looking to the interest of the world.
that's very noble of you. but is it utopian?

and what perfect and model government do we have that is so great we are ready to duplicate it and impose it on the entire Earth?

what is the people of the world's opinion?
Good or bad why not let them decide? unless you are on board with exton on the intelligence of the people. (it is important to note many intelligent people oppose the idea.)

"fools rush in where angels fear to tread".


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I won't have it. Vote Ron Paul if you are against the Noth American Union and world government. He knows all about this and wants to stop it.

The problem with world government now is that there is no place to escape for those that don't want it. It also isn't beneficial because the world is still too big. Once technology makes traveling from the other side of the planet an hours flight and once we start colonizing space and adding several planets to human kind will world government be beneficial for the people. It sounds science fictiony i know.


You just "nailed" it! And that is what I meant by being "ready" for a one world government.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What can people all over Earth do from your point of view to convince you that they are up to par to make decisions on the future of the Earth's government? (mandatory civics classes, certain level of eduction to vote,???)


They'd basically have to stop being stupid and apathetic, in general. It's hard to benchmark that sort of thing, but i suppose i could think of a few indicators.

Like, for example, the alteration or collapse of a number of entertainment industries. I would take it as a positive sign if enough people stopped paying outrageous prices for sports entertainment goods that athletes were actually paid substantially less.

That, of course, doesn't necessarily mean much. But it would suggest to me that people have put a little more thought and consideration into how they use their resources.

Debt is a good one. If the average indebtedness went down a lot, that would be a positive sign - a sign that people may actually be planning ahead, and are proficient in things like 'addition' and 'multiplication'.

Or the lottery. If the lottery fails, that will be very good. It might be an indication that a lot of people have acquired at least a rudimentary understanding of how some numbers relate to other numbers, and how *that* relates to the outcomes of events in their lives.

Same goes for gambling. If gambling stopped being profitable, it may be an indication that people have begun to understand the nature of life such to the point that they're capable of overcoming the instinctual drive to gamble on a long shot, and are capable of doing so to their advantage.

I say 'might' with all of these things because the failure of a particular industry could be due to any number of factors.

Oh, now that im thinking about it, i could go on and on. Television psychics, Televangelists, fortune tellers, 'weight loss supplements', get rich quick schemes, pyramid schemes, nigerian schemes, etc etc. If such things stopped being profitable, that would be good.

Spam is a huge one. If spamming stopped being profitable, that could mean that literally no one is stupid enough to click on those ads.


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and what have these decision makers done/shown you to make you sooo trusting of them over the people?


Nothing. I don't trust them either. They're exactly the same as anyone else. The only difference is that they happen to work in positions of power.

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exton wrote:
Basically, i'm of the mind that it's the right course of action, with or without the agreement of the electorate.


Whoa!


The right course of action is the right course of action, regardless of what a random mass of people happens to think about it.

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what is the people of the world's opinion?
Good or bad why not let them decide? unless you are on board with exton on the intelligence of the people. (it is important to note many intelligent people oppose the idea.)


Many intelligent people oppose good ideas, and many intelligent people embrace stupid ones. Being intelligent doesn't make a person immune to coming to stupid conclusions. And, in some ways, it makes it harder for a person to brake out of stupid mindsets.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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exton wrote:
Like when?


The Revolutionary War, The Civil War,


War is rarely a sensible act. A case *might* be made for the revolutionary war, but the civil war definitely wasn't sensible.

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any of the great movents that have come about through either labor or agricultual movements. My favorite being the populist movement of the 20's and 30's. And the American peoples will to finally stop the war in Vietnam. All of these events helped to shape policy in this country even if it was in contrast to what the central government wanted.


I doubt the degree to which such things represent a rise of sensibility.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, but they were popular movements that changed the country as dictated by the public.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
...except that's not what i asked about. I asked about instances of american sensibility kicking in.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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...except that's not what i asked about. I asked about instances of american sensibility kicking in.


They seemed sensible at the time
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