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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: watch this and discuss Reply with quote
http://www.youtube.com/v/vkXOw.....autoplay=1
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i like that numbers 31 verse lol
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.


sheds a new light on fucked up ass israel...
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I love the old testament! It is a way cooler story than the King James or the New Testament. Especially Ezekiel!! Would make an AWESOME movie.

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    As I looked, a stormy wind came out of the north: a great cloud with brightness around it and fire flashing forth continually, and in the middle of the fire, something like gleaming amber. 5 In the middle of it was something like four living creatures. This was their appearance: they were of human form. 6 Each had four faces, and each of them had four wings. 7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the sole of a calf’s foot; and they sparkled like burnished bronze. 8 Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. And the four had their faces and their wings thus: 9 their wings touched one another; each of them moved straight ahead, without turning as they moved. 10 As for the appearance of their faces: the four had the face of a human being, the face of a lion on the right side, the face of an ox on the left side, and the face of an eagle; 11 such were their faces. Their wings were spread out above; each creature had two wings, each of which touched the wing of another, while two covered their bodies. 12 Each moved straight ahead; wherever the spirit would go, they went, without turning as they went. 13 In the middle of* the living creatures there was something that looked like burning coals of fire, like torches moving to and fro among the living creatures; the fire was bright, and lightning issued from the fire. 14 The living creatures darted to and fro, like a flash of lightning.


Maybe starring Vin Diesel
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew.


Show us where.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Frankly, there is no "one part" where Jesus denounces the old laws. However, this video specifically mentioned working on the Sabbath. Read Matthew 12. All throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus pisses off the Pharisees by breaking Old Testament laws and using these confrontations to teach the new laws. He uplifts laws of morality (regarding sexual sin, anger, etc.) in Matthew 5, where he also says he has come to fulfill the laws of Moses, meaning he doesn't remove these laws of morality, but makes them even more impossible to follow (in fact the only way is to give your life to Him). In regards to His harsh language regarding "pluck out your eye", he was not literal, he was using this strong metaphor to explain that it would be rather to sacrifice a temporary part of you rather than suffer eternally in Hell. For example, if you can't be around your friends without acting promiscuous or something, get new friends. If you can't go online without looking at porn, don't get on a computer. It doesn't literally mean "dismember yourself".
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
what comes to my mind when viewing this is that it points out that all religions are messed up. you know how people like to take quotes out of the qu'ran then condemn islam and people who follow islam as evil bastards...that is what i thought of when watching this.

all the religion's of abraham are extremely messed up, and before nit picking and condemning the other guy's look at your own.

fortunately i follow an eastern philosophy so i can make fun of them all i want.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
Frankly, there is no "one part" where Jesus denounces the old laws. However, this video specifically mentioned working on the Sabbath. Read Matthew 12. All throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus pisses off the Pharisees by breaking Old Testament laws and using these confrontations to teach the new laws. He uplifts laws of morality (regarding sexual sin, anger, etc.) in Matthew 5, where he also says he has come to fulfill the laws of Moses, meaning he doesn't remove these laws of morality, but makes them even more impossible to follow (in fact the only way is to give your life to Him). In regards to His harsh language regarding "pluck out your eye", he was not literal, he was using this strong metaphor to explain that it would be rather to sacrifice a temporary part of you rather than suffer eternally in Hell. For example, if you can't be around your friends without acting promiscuous or something, get new friends. If you can't go online without looking at porn, don't get on a computer. It doesn't literally mean "dismember yourself".


God damnit i am TIRED OF THIS ARGUMENT! Repealing the laws and the ways of the Old Testement that was written by MAN with devine intervention by GOD means that God is fallible. You changed his mind with the New Testement. In fact the New Testement is a complete contradiction of the Old Testement. Even the way God acts. God in the OT was fucking awesome, he was just an attention seeking piece of shit. He didn't give a shit, he'll fucking kill children if they made fun of Moses. Then all of a sudden his faggot son dies and he he acts all nice and is all about justice and love? So when did GOD change his mind? And which laws were repealed? All of them? Does this include the passage where faggots are condemned to hell? The one that every anti-gay person quotes from the OT?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.


Mike wrote:
Frankly, there is no "one part" where Jesus denounces the old laws. However, this video specifically mentioned working on the Sabbath. Read Matthew 12. All throughout Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus pisses off the Pharisees by breaking Old Testament laws and using these confrontations to teach the new laws. He uplifts laws of morality (regarding sexual sin, anger, etc.) in Matthew 5, where he also says he has come to fulfill the laws of Moses, meaning he doesn't remove these laws of morality, but makes them even more impossible to follow (in fact the only way is to give your life to Him). In regards to His harsh language regarding "pluck out your eye", he was not literal, he was using this strong metaphor to explain that it would be rather to sacrifice a temporary part of you rather than suffer eternally in Hell. For example, if you can't be around your friends without acting promiscuous or something, get new friends. If you can't go online without looking at porn, don't get on a computer. It doesn't literally mean "dismember yourself".


And you wonder why you have to repeat yourselves when you arte talking out two sides of your face? "The Laws of Tradition were repealed!! .... sort of."

It makes the whole thing stink to high heaven (ironic, dont'cha think?). "C'mon, follow us! the jews follow the old laws, we follow the new ... except where it is convienent to condemn you, then we will cherry-pick some of the old laws to morally beat you with."

Have any Christians ever heard of self-assesment? where you try and view your life/actions from the point of view of an objective observer?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
what comes to my mind when viewing this is that it points out that all religions are messed up. you know how people like to take quotes out of the qu'ran then condemn islam and people who follow islam as evil bastards...that is what i thought of when watching this.

all the religion's of abraham are extremely messed up, and before nit picking and condemning the other guy's look at your own.

fortunately i follow an eastern philosophy so i can make fun of them all i want.


Well people can make fun of how dumb of an idea Karma is. So we have this laws of the universe, if you do something good or you do something bad you collect good or bad Karma. A good deed rewards with good things happening, a bad deed gives bad things to happen. Even though the idea of good and bad is completly relevent, that there really is no such thing as something truly bad or truly good. Plus how do you know what bad thing you are being punished for when there are no clear understandings of what good and bad is? And what about indirectly doing bad things. What if you gave 10,000 dollars to an orphanage sounds good right? But what if you also knew about this cancer organization, and this cancer organization was 10,000 dollars away from curing cancer. Would you also get bad karma for denying that 10k to that cancer organization? But then if you did give that 10k that helped cure it, aren't you also harming other living creatures? I mean viruses and bacteria are living things too and our bodies just by existing kills millions of organisms every day. Which is bad right? To kill? So just by existing we should be hit with bad karma after effects all the time.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZackH wrote:

God damnit i am TIRED OF THIS ARGUMENT! Repealing the laws and the ways of the Old Testement that was written by MAN with devine intervention by GOD means that God is fallible. You changed his mind with the New Testement. In fact the New Testement is a complete contradiction of the Old Testement. Even the way God acts. God in the OT was fucking awesome, he was just an attention seeking piece of shit. He didn't give a shit, he'll fucking kill children if they made fun of Moses. Then all of a sudden his faggot son dies and he he acts all nice and is all about justice and love? So when did GOD change his mind? And which laws were repealed? All of them? Does this include the passage where faggots are condemned to hell? The one that every anti-gay person quotes from the OT?


Christ sanctified them, rendering them unneccesary. This is not the same as contradicting the Old Testament. The laws of tradition were repealed because Christ became the all-encompassing sacrifice, removing any need for the other laws of tradition and sacrifice. The Old laws were temporary, to be followed until Christ was executed. Only laws of tradition were ended in this. Laws of morality, like sexual sin, anger, etc. were uplifted. By the way, homosexuality is condemned in Corinthians and I Timothy (both New Testament books) as well, not just Leviticus.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
what comes to my mind when viewing this is that it points out that all religions are messed up. you know how people like to take quotes out of the qu'ran then condemn islam and people who follow islam as evil bastards...that is what i thought of when watching this.

all the religion's of abraham are extremely messed up, and before nit picking and condemning the other guy's look at your own.

fortunately i follow an eastern philosophy so i can make fun of them all i want.


I have actually read the Qu'ran, and I agree, there is nothing that calls for the death of Christians or Jews, it is in fact a peaceful religion, but the ones America fights are fanatics who use Islam for their own ends. Similar to the Pope saying that God ordained the Crusades when it was really a solely political move. These terrorists only use Islam to justify themselves and to suck in ignorant followers.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
1st rule on Earth. Trust no one nor nothing.
The Bible was written by people/man. Enough said.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
what comes to my mind when viewing this is that it points out that all religions are messed up. you know how people like to take quotes out of the qu'ran then condemn islam and people who follow islam as evil bastards...that is what i thought of when watching this.

all the religion's of abraham are extremely messed up, and before nit picking and condemning the other guy's look at your own.

fortunately i follow an eastern philosophy so i can make fun of them all i want.


I have actually read the Qu'ran, and I agree, there is nothing that calls for the death of Christians or Jews, it is in fact a peaceful religion, but the ones America fights are fanatics who use Islam for their own ends. Similar to the Pope saying that God ordained the Crusades when it was really a solely political move. These terrorists only use Islam to justify themselves and to suck in ignorant followers.


yes and it goes across the board...there are muslims who do this, christians who do this jews who do this, etc.

they are all screwed up and can all be perverted.
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