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jusdeadphunky
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZackH wrote:
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what comes to my mind when viewing this is that it points out that all religions are messed up. you know how people like to take quotes out of the qu'ran then condemn islam and people who follow islam as evil bastards...that is what i thought of when watching this.

all the religion's of abraham are extremely messed up, and before nit picking and condemning the other guy's look at your own.

fortunately i follow an eastern philosophy so i can make fun of them all i want.


Well people can make fun of how dumb of an idea Karma is. So we have this laws of the universe, if you do something good or you do something bad you collect good or bad Karma. A good deed rewards with good things happening, a bad deed gives bad things to happen. Even though the idea of good and bad is completly relevent, that there really is no such thing as something truly bad or truly good. Plus how do you know what bad thing you are being punished for when there are no clear understandings of what good and bad is? And what about indirectly doing bad things. What if you gave 10,000 dollars to an orphanage sounds good right? But what if you also knew about this cancer organization, and this cancer organization was 10,000 dollars away from curing cancer. Would you also get bad karma for denying that 10k to that cancer organization? But then if you did give that 10k that helped cure it, aren't you also harming other living creatures? I mean viruses and bacteria are living things too and our bodies just by existing kills millions of organisms every day. Which is bad right? To kill? So just by existing we should be hit with bad karma after effects all the time.


i was referring to the religions of abraham i can make fun of them because i do not follow them and those religions are fucked up in similar manners...

you are going a little too far with the bacteria thing.

there is something comforting and fulfilling about following a philosophy that focuses on you, not mythology and not everyone else.

i am a firm believer in karma but not in the manner you speak of...do the right thing because it is the right thing and somewhere, sometime, someplace good will come from it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Christ sanctified them, rendering them unneccesary. This is not the same as contradicting the Old Testament. The laws of tradition were repealed because Christ became the all-encompassing sacrifice, removing any need for the other laws of tradition and sacrifice. The Old laws were temporary, to be followed until Christ was executed. Only laws of tradition were ended in this. Laws of morality, like sexual sin, anger, etc. were uplifted. By the way, homosexuality is condemned in Corinthians and I Timothy (both New Testament books) as well, not just Leviticus.


In Corinthians and Timothy, hmosexuality is condemned by man. Get used to people calling Christianity hypocritical because the way it is preached (note: I said preached not taught) is to cherry-pick through the Bible to find the passage for condemning some act that their religion finds offensive, and then, try and ingrain it into the laws of this nation. Your description above just points out the "snake-oil" qualities of the "good book".
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What makes you think I want to make Biblical Law the same as Federal Law?
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What makes you think I want to make Biblical Law the same as Federal Law?


Anti-abortion initiatives, Constitutional ammendments on marriage ...

If you want to bring it down to state levels, the same applies as well as forcing creationism teaching (through "Intelligent Design") in public schools.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What makes you think I want to make Biblical Law the same as Federal Law?


Anti-abortion initiatives, Constitutional ammendments on marriage ...

If you want to bring it down to state levels, the same applies as well as forcing creationism teaching (through "Intelligent Design") in public schools.


I don't want abortion because I see it as murder, not because the Bible says it's wrong. Also, as far as gay marriage goes, I simply don't think the government should have the pwoer to hand out religious titles like "marriage", you know, separation of church and state, keeping a corrupt government out of the church, any church. I have no problem at all with government-ordained civil unions, or even if a church decides by itself to grant gays the title of "marriage", by all means go for it. I don't want creationism taught in schools either, I just don't want evolutionism to be a forced subject. It's the parents perogative to teach their kids what they believe. Don't lump me with the psycho religious right. They ruined the Republican party.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.


So God changed his mind halfway through?
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.


So God changed his mind halfway through?


Not really. The Old laws of tradition are still fulfilled, but not by us. He sent Christ to be the all-encompassing sacrifice so that we don't have to jump through all those hoops to be saved. However, the laws of morality were uplifted by Christ when he came.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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as far as gay marriage goes, I simply don't think the government should have the pwoer to hand out religious titles like "marriage", you know, separation of church and state, keeping a corrupt government out of the church, any church.


The government cannot force a church to acknowledge any particular marriage, and marriage is not the domain the religious.

No, no, the religous do not get to define what marriage means to society as a whole. Marriage is now a secular institution as well as a religious one, regardless of how you may or may not feel about it.

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I just don't want evolutionism


You mean "evolution"?

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to be a forced subject. It's the parents perogative to teach their kids what they believe.


It's not a matter of belief. It's a matter of education. To reject biology, you must reject education.

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Don't lump me with the psycho religious right. They ruined the Republican party.


What, exactly, separates you from them?
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:

Not really. The Old laws of tradition are still fulfilled, but not by us.


That's a change of mind.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Mike wrote:

Not really. The Old laws of tradition are still fulfilled, but not by us.


That's a change of mind.


Which doesn't make sense, because he's infallible.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.

Then Mike ....
It's now your reponsibility to get up in front of every rightwing nut gathering and say just what you said when they bring up that Leviticus crap when they argue against homosexuality
Good luck and Godspeed Wink
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.

Then Mike ....
It's now your reponsibility to get up in front of every rightwing nut gathering and say just what you said when they bring up that Leviticus crap when they argue against homosexuality
Good luck and Godspeed Wink


Except homosexuality is condemned in Corinthians and I Timothy as well, which are New Testament books. Nice try though Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
joeyjock wrote:
Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.

Then Mike ....
It's now your reponsibility to get up in front of every rightwing nut gathering and say just what you said when they bring up that Leviticus crap when they argue against homosexuality
Good luck and Godspeed Wink


Except homosexuality is condemned in Corinthians and I Timothy as well, which are New Testament books. Nice try though Rolling Eyes


What happened to our discussion of the mindchanging?
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Mike wrote:
joeyjock wrote:
Mike wrote:
I am a bit aggravated that I, and every other Christian, have to repeat ourselves. The laws of tradition were repealed in the book of Matthew. That means they DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE! You have a problem with Old Testament laws? Take it up with the orthodox Jews. Christians don't follow Old Testament laws anymore.

Then Mike ....
It's now your reponsibility to get up in front of every rightwing nut gathering and say just what you said when they bring up that Leviticus crap when they argue against homosexuality
Good luck and Godspeed Wink


Except homosexuality is condemned in Corinthians and I Timothy as well, which are New Testament books. Nice try though Rolling Eyes


What happened to our discussion of the mindchanging?


What's to discuss? The laws were removed from Christian dogma because Christ fulfilled them. Therefore, Christians do not need to follow laws of sacrifice or tradition. Christians follow the uplifted laws of morality and justice that Christ left.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
God is supposed to be infallible, why would he even need to send Christ down to change the laws?
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