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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Theory taken out of the conspiracy. Reply with quote
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Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

The United States government did something that was wrong—deeply, profoundly, morally wrong. It was an outrage to our commitment to integrity and equality for all our citizens. . . . clearly racist.
—President Clinton's apology for the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment to the eight remaining survivors, May 16, 1997
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,”1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all. The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762136.html

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the majority. The fact that it was only black men is not surprising given the time period.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the majority. The fact that it was only black men is not surprising given the time period.


it ended in 1974. i was born in 79. when will the time period end. am i safe with a doctor now?

"sometimes sacrifices need to be made for the
majority."

does that mean if you were struck with a illness you'd be willing to refuse yourself/or refuse someone else treatment and have them or yourself live with excruciating penis pain every urination for the rest of your life for the sacrifice of the majority.

Sometimes it's better not to try to justify or defend ridiculousness for the sake of appearing ridiculous yourself.

it is what it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm not condoning it for the racist side, but as a scientific experiment, if it gave them useful information, that kind of thing happens all the time.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The "Tuskegee Experiment" was a pretty fucked up thing, not the only experimentation as well. There was a lot of testing with radioactivity to. Medical benefits? That is like saying that what Mengele did was beneficial to medical science. Which it did, but, does the end justify the means? I say it does not, because this is human life that we are talking about and not a bunch of lab rats.

It is just another black eye on our somewhat questionable past. I guess the real question is....Do they teach kids about this in school to insure that history does not repeat itself. Or not?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
I'm not condoning it for the racist side, but as a scientific experiment, if it gave them useful information, that kind of thing happens all the time.


Mad WHAT Exclamation

Oh Lester just stop it Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here is your scale, one man, two thousand men, I don't know, but I kill the one man.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Here is your scale, one man, two thousand men, I don't know, but I kill the one man.


But, what you are describing is not the malicious, institutionalized selected detainment that was the Tukeegee Exp. It was done to them because they were/are? considered to be "untermenschen". Very Nazi and very creepy.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, I said I didn't agree with the racist thing, that part I disagree with, leaving people to develop the disease until they died, that, I can understand.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am going back to the communist forum....LoL
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's the choice between a few deaths or a lot of deaths, which would you choose?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Knowingly letting someone die from syphilis - which is easily treatable - is tantamount to infecting them with it yourself. Ethically, the two are no different.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This was before they knew very much about the disease, they used these cases to gather information on the disease.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Like i said: knowingly letting someone die from it is no different from intentionally infecting them with it. It's worse than shooting a person, in a sense: it's a lot more unpleasent to die of syphilis than of a gunshot wound.

Whatever else they knew at that point, they knew it was treatable. It takes $10 worth a penicillin to cure it. That's been known for a while.

Aren't you the guy who's against killing people at all costs?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
When the choice is between a small amount of people and a larger amount, you gotta go for the smaller group.
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