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Lester
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What I'm asking is, if it works so well in canada, what particular aspect of american culture makes it impossible to work in america?

You, like many others, may have been misinformed on the nature of communism, it isn't authoritarian by nature. Communism controls the economic side of things, but your civil liberties are not neccdesarily impinged by communism.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2007 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know honestly. I don't think anyone knows the reason. Why is it that even though America and Canada have roughly the same amount of guns per capita that we have far far far more gun murders per capita? I've dated a Canadian and they are so different then Americans. More subdued, more easy going, doesn't seem as violent in nature then us Americans. It's an odd thing.

So China isn't a communist country because their economics is pretty much capitalism? I know that socialism is when everything is owned by the State or People, but i figured communism and socialism walked hand in hand. I don't think communism could ever work for very long, at least not true communism. People are inherently ambitious and i don't think they could possibly opress their want to make money.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Exactly, it's all persepective, all it takes is education.

Well that and they have class segragation. Socialism is seen by some as a stepping stone to communism, but it's not the same thing at all, kinda like the current system isn't the same as laisses-faire capitalism.

Intelligent self-interest, in capitalism you can fail, and there will always be people who fail, in communism you will always have food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Exactly, it's all persepective, all it takes is education.

Well that and they have class segragation. Socialism is seen by some as a stepping stone to communism, but it's not the same thing at all, kinda like the current system isn't the same as laisses-faire capitalism.

Intelligent self-interest, in capitalism you can fail, and there will always be people who fail, in communism you will always have food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep.


More to life then food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep.
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Lester
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ZackH wrote:
Lester wrote:
Exactly, it's all persepective, all it takes is education.

Well that and they have class segragation. Socialism is seen by some as a stepping stone to communism, but it's not the same thing at all, kinda like the current system isn't the same as laisses-faire capitalism.

Intelligent self-interest, in capitalism you can fail, and there will always be people who fail, in communism you will always have food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep.


More to life then food to eat, clothes to wear, and a place to sleep.





Basically this is saying what your saying is true, but food, clothing and shelter and security are the basis on which those other things can be reached.

Of course this is ethics and psychology type stuff so despite it being widely accepted it's 100%, it's just a guideline.
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
You, like many others, may have been misinformed on the nature of communism, it isn't authoritarian by nature. Communism controls the economic side of things, but your civil liberties are not neccdesarily impinged by communism.


listen zack do not let this commie forked tongue snake sweet talk you into second guessing america and capitalism.

he said that your civil liberties are not necessarily infringed upon!!!!!!! o contrair, if someone steales my hard earned money and gives it to someone who has not worked for it/doesn't deserve it and my family cannot enjoy the fruits of my labor then ,by f'n god!!, my damn civil liberties have been infringed upon!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2007 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That would be your fiscal liberties mr. brandal.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
With all this talk of Communisim. I hate to point out though that America and Capitalism have worked for 250 years. Communism, no, not so. Why fix something that aint broke?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some of us look for things that might be even better than capitalism, and some of us might even go so far as to say that capitalism is broken.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Capitalism is broken. I laugh, we are one of the best off nations in the world. Communism looks great and dandy, but it makes a dupe of the people. It does not alow anyone to fulfill any ambitions. Communism is like being born into retirement. There is no change throughout life. Communism also does not work because of the human factor, things like greed, and the people that do not want communism. Communism is a system that is doomed to fail from the beggining.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't support communism. I didn't say that either.

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laugh, we are one of the best off nations in the world.


That's not much of an argument. Just because we're one of the best doesn't mean the system we use is even close to perfect.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might Makes Right wrote:
With all this talk of Communisim. I hate to point out though that America and Capitalism have worked for 250 years. Communism, no, not so. Why fix something that aint broke?


i hate to point out the fact that america does not follow a policy of pure capitalism and if you think that we do, the first obvious place to look to realize your error is at the trust busting era...

why fix something that ain't broke? the richest country in the world can not provide its citizens with the basic human right to health care even though every other industrialized nation can...yea sounds like everything is in tip top shape.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might Makes Right wrote:
Capitalism is broken. I laugh, we are one of the best off nations in the world. Communism looks great and dandy, but it makes a dupe of the people. It does not alow anyone to fulfill any ambitions. Communism is like being born into retirement. There is no change throughout life. Communism also does not work because of the human factor, things like greed, and the people that do not want communism. Communism is a system that is doomed to fail from the beggining.


what about france and switzerland and germany and canada? are you telling me that what goes on there doesn't work?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Monarchies worked for even longer than that, why don't we go back to those?

Might Makes Right wrote:
Capitalism is broken. I laugh, we are one of the best off nations in the world. Communism looks great and dandy, but it makes a dupe of the people. It does not alow anyone to fulfill any ambitions. Communism is like being born into retirement. There is no change throughout life. Communism also does not work because of the human factor, things like greed, and the people that do not want communism. Communism is a system that is doomed to fail from the beggining.


Yes but your capitalism affects more than just your nation, the very fact that some countries are better off than others is due to capitalism, and what do you mean by best off? Because if you mean highest standard of living, I think that you'll find thats not quite true. Richest sure, but what are you doing with that wealth?

In communism everyone can fulfill their ambitions, without the restraint of having to spend time working jobs they don't like. What ambitions can you not achieve in communism? Besides being richer than someone else? You can be rich, but just not richER, you'll have to assert your masculinity through actual accomplishments or something.

There is plenty of change, change in the level of knowledge you have, change in the quality of life for you and everyone around you, not all change is affected by gaining or losing money. And many people enjoy retirement, I hear.

If communism would fail because of the people who do not want it, why doesn't capitalism fail for that reason? Greed is something to be overcome, and besides, you can still be greedy in communism, just not for money.

You do know they said that about democracy? That is was doomed to fail from the beginning?
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