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alexjonessupporter
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: the constitution party-party of the founders Reply with quote
http://www.constitutionparty.com


If we are struck between a democrat & a RINO republican (liberal republican) we must vote constitution party in 08'.But now we must support ron paul in republican pyramaries.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: the constitution party-party of the founders Reply with quote
alexjonessupporter wrote:
http://www.constitutionparty.com


If we are struck between a democrat & a RINO republican (liberal republican) we must vote constitution party in 08'.But now we must support ron paul in republican pyramaries.


I think that Ron Paul would make a fine president!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ron Paul would make an excellent president. I don't know about the constitution party being the party of our founders though.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Are you shitting me? The constitution party is insane.

Let's have a look at some things from their platform:

-HIV / AIDS is a contagious disease which is dangerous to public health. It should not be treated as a civil rights issue. Under no circumstances should the federal government continue to subsidize activities which have the effect of encouraging perverted or promiscuous sexual conduct.

-The pre-born child, whose life begins at fertilization, is a human being created in God's image.

-We oppose any attempt to call for a Constitutional convention, for any purpose whatsoever

-All who are accused of crimes, petty to capital, shall have a trial by jury upon request, and the jury shall be fully informed of its right to nullify the law.

(For those of you who don't know: jury nullification is actually illegal. It's not a right.)

-We reject the policies and practices that permit women to train for or participate in combat.

-The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions

-All teaching is related to basic assumptions about God and man. Education as a whole, therefore, cannot be separated from religious faith.

-the United States Department of Education should be abolished

-We call for abolishing the Department of Energy.

-We also call for repeal of federal wetlands legislation and the federal Endangered Species Act.

-The law of our Creator defines marriage as the union between one man and one woman...No government may legitimately authorize or define marriage or family relations contrary to what God has instituted.

-We reject the notion that sexual offenders are deserving of legal favor or special protection, and affirm the rights of states and localities to proscribe offensive sexual behavior.

(When they say "sex offenders" here, they're not talking about rapists. They're talking about unusual sexual practices between consenting adults. Especially note the end of the sentence.)

-We stand against so-called "sexual orientation" and "hate crime" statutes that attempt to legitimize inappropriate sexual behavior and to stifle public resistance to its expression. We oppose government funding of "partner" benefits for unmarried individuals. Finally, we oppose any legal recognition of homosexual unions.

-we oppose efforts to legalize adoption of children by homosexual singles or couples

-The entire Foreign Policy section

-We particularly support all the legislation which would remove from Federal appellate review jurisdiction matters involving acknowledgement of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government.

-Return to the money system set forth in the Constitution;

(I think they mean the gold standard,when they say this. Idiots.)

-It is our intention that no system of "debt money" shall be imposed on the people of the United States. We support a debt free, interest free money system.

(I think this means no loans from the government. Where do you think most startup buisnesses get loans from?)

-We call on our local, state and federal governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.

(They want to ban porno. They think "free speech" means "speech that most people approve of")

-With the advent of the Internet and the benevolent neglect of the previous administrations, the pornography industry enjoyed uninhibited growth and expansion until the point today that we live in a sex-saturated society where almost nothing remains untainted by its perversion. While we believe in the responsibility of the individual and corporate entities to regulate themselves, we also believe that our collective representative body we call government plays a vital role in establishing and maintaining the highest level of decency in our community standards.

(They want to censor the internet)

-We oppose efforts to confer statehood upon the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or expand statehood beyond the current fifty states.

-The federal government has no authority to mandate policies relating to state education, natural resources, transportation, private business, housing, health care, ad infinitum.


That's all i had the stomach to read.

What pisses me off the most is their perverse infatuation with the christian religion. They claim to stand for personal liberty, and yet they'd force their religion on the rest of us!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Even the religious right considers these guys bat shit crazy.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
IrishOutlaw wrote:
Ron Paul would make an excellent president. I don't know about the constitution party being the party of our founders though.


Here is a link to his Republican Presidential website. If he makes it through the primaries, I never thought that I would say this, I will be voting Republican this election! Ron Paul has a little something for everyone. He is so good that they could not find another Republican to run against him. The NeOcOnS HATE him because he is an old-school Republican and has voted against ALL of the bullshit. Otherwise it is Obama all the way.

"The Revolutionary Candidate"

Ron Paul has made numerous media appearances, from C-SPAN to Lou Dobbs, since and prior to the announcement of his candidacy. Still, the strategy thus far has been to ignore him to the extent possible. That approach cannot work in the long run, since for one thing the enthusiasm for Dr. Paul all over the Internet cannot be contained forever. For another, people are going to become curious about him when they watch, or hear reports about, the first Republican primary debate on May 3. They’ll see a bunch of establishment hacks uttering platitudes devised for them by handlers and focus groups, and they’ll see Ron Paul, who unlike his opponents is not only intelligent enough to write his own speeches, but who will also raise questions the other candidates would prefer not to discuss. He can pummel every single one of them on their lousy records on taxes, the Constitution, and war. Ron Paul is about to spoil the party. This will be like no other Republican primary debate in many, many years.
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http://www.ronpaul2008.com/html/Issues_fx.html
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ron Paul supports the gold standard.

Do i need to repeat that?

Ron paul supports the gold standard.


That's almost like being a creationist, only with economics. I can't fathom voting for anyone who's that oblivious.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think jury nullification is a good thing, more power to sleazy lawyers.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Ron Paul supports the gold standard.

Do i need to repeat that?

Ron paul supports the gold standard.


That's almost like being a creationist, only with economics. I can't fathom voting for anyone who's that oblivious.


When the shit hits the fan, it always goes back to the gold standard! It is one of those immovable objects that spans millennia. "Fiat" currency is evil, it has been tried before, only to ultimately fail. Fiat is what has funded our aggressions around the world(black budget)and allows the Fed. to crank out new money like sausages. It's like me showing up at a poker game with no money, just a bunch of shiny things and trinkets, insisting that they are worth the same amount as your gold coins(an internationally accepted form of currency).......Wanna play some poker?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Ron Paul supports the gold standard.

Do i need to repeat that?

Ron paul supports the gold standard.

That would put me at odds with him on that one issue. Of course, I would consider his positions on other issues on their own merits. Would you do otherwise?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: the constitution party-party of the founders Reply with quote
alexjonessupporter wrote:
http://www.constitutionparty.com

I consider myself a constitutionalist (basically a libertarian who considers the constitution to be black-letter law). I see some good stuff at the Constitution Party's site, but #3 of their Seven Principles gives me pause...
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3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;

I find it hard to understand how liberty-minded individuals can argue that it is the government's job to dictate what kind of families or relationships people may form.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Are you shitting me? The constitution party is insane.

Let's have a look at some things from their platform:


I didn't know jack about the constitution party, so thanks. And YIKES!
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exton
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:

When the shit hits the fan, it always goes back to the gold standard! It is one of those immovable objects that spans millennia.


Do you know what currency is, and why we use it? Do you know why gold was ever used as a currency?

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"Fiat" currency is evil, it has been tried before, only to ultimately fail. Fiat is what has funded our aggressions around the world(black budget)and allows the Fed. to crank out new money like sausages.


That's right, the fed can crank out all they want.

But they actually don't. Do you know why?

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It's like me showing up at a poker game with no money, just a bunch of shiny things and trinkets, insisting that they are worth the same amount as your gold coins(an internationally accepted form of currency).......Wanna play some poker


Seriously...how much do you know about economics?
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exton
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TrespassersW wrote:

That would put me at odds with him on that one issue. Of course, I would consider his positions on other issues on their own merits. Would you do otherwise?


Yes. The gold standard is a show-stopper. The isn't like how much to raise or lower income tax, or whether we should buy more or less weapons, or whatever. This is serious, fundamental-level stuff. This is the sort of thing that can seriously damage our civilization. I can not think of anything he could think or say that would outweigh the negativity of supporting the gold standard.
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exton
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Re: the constitution party-party of the founders Reply with quote
TrespassersW wrote:

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3. Family: One husband and one wife with their children as divinely instituted;

I find it hard to understand how liberty-minded individuals can argue that it is the government's job to dictate what kind of families or relationships people may form.


You should see the part where they outline their platform in full. There's a lot of that sort of thing in there.
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