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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So you are saying that we should be the world's police and tell them how to run their affairs with eachother.

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Might Makes Right wrote:
I was listening to Ron Paul on Glenn Beck the other night, and I think he is right about us holding Israel back. I think we should let them run loose, we don't have any buisness over there.


I sort of agree. I think we should let them run loose - and then when they start a war, we should deal with them the same way we deal with other uncivilized troublemakers.


You have a penchant for putting words in other people's mouths. You do realize that the idea of "straw man" is a logical fallacy, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might Makes Right wrote:

exton wrote:

I sort of agree. I think we should let them run loose - and then when they start a war, we should deal with them the same way we deal with other uncivilized troublemakers.

So you are saying that we should be the world's police and tell them how to run their affairs with eachother.


I think if one nation attacks another nation, that's adequate justification for interference in one form or another.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
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exton wrote:

I sort of agree. I think we should let them run loose - and then when they start a war, we should deal with them the same way we deal with other uncivilized troublemakers.

So you are saying that we should be the world's police and tell them how to run their affairs with eachother.


I think if one nation attacks another nation, that's adequate justification for interference in one form or another.
No it is not
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, it is. The united states as a nation does not exist in isolation; ignoring events outside our borders is not a viable foreign policy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we are charged with the welfare of a sovereign nation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nowhere in the constitution does it say that we are charged with the welfare of a sovereign nation.


Nowhere in the constitution does it say we can have an air force, but we do. Nowhere in the constitution does it say we can have highways stretching coast-to-coast, but we do. Nowhere in the constitution does it say our nation is allowed to stretch from the atlantic to the pacific, but it does.

Making claims that it isn't in the constitution and then not making that claim for everything else is hypocritical. You are either a strict constitutional constructionist or you are not, stop being a hypocrit.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The constitution is supposed to put limits on the powers of centeral government
not to help out foreigners
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
According to you. My Constitutional Law professor who was a lawyer for 20+ years would smack you silly for your attempt to parade as knowing even a little bit about the Constitution.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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According to you. My Constitutional Law professor who was a lawyer for 20+ years would smack you silly for your attempt to parade as knowing even a little bit about the Constitution.
Maybe your constitutional law professor does not know shit
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Toxic wrote:
According to you. My Constitutional Law professor who was a lawyer for 20+ years would smack you silly for your attempt to parade as knowing even a little bit about the Constitution.
Maybe your constitutional law professor does not know shit


It's more likely that your interpretation of constitutional law is flawed. We all know that there are plenty of things in our society today that are not SPECIFICALLY written about in the constitution. So why don't you come up with a reasoned response instead of "It does say it in the constitution".
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Toxic wrote:
According to you. My Constitutional Law professor who was a lawyer for 20+ years would smack you silly for your attempt to parade as knowing even a little bit about the Constitution.
Maybe your constitutional law professor does not know shit


As opposed to professor Turk, who has much more experience in constitutional law?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Toxic wrote:
Turk wrote:
Toxic wrote:
According to you. My Constitutional Law professor who was a lawyer for 20+ years would smack you silly for your attempt to parade as knowing even a little bit about the Constitution.
Maybe your constitutional law professor does not know shit


As opposed to professor Turk, who has much more experience in constitutional law?
Yes i can read and understand
dont need a college degree to know common sense stuff
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You couldn't even cite a part of the Constitution you said should have been obvious for me to see if I just read it. You obviously can't read it and understand it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You couldn't even cite a part of the Constitution you said should have been obvious for me to see if I just read it. You obviously can't read it and understand it.
Try reading it instead of taking someones word for it
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I did read it and couldn't find it. I specifically asked you to cite the passage and you pussy-footed around multiple times because you had no idea what you were even referring to, and you still haven't shown what you were actually talking about.

And it has nothing to do with taking someone's word for it. You presented an argument and you were called on it. I knew you were lying about what you were saying, so I called you, and now you're trying to shift it to being me that doesn't know what I'm talking about. Face it; you were wrong.
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