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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You're right, I don't want the government involved in educating my children at all. It's no different than calling it an indoctrination institution. Our children are taught exactly what they want them to learn which has no basis in fact or fiction.

[quote="Timetheos"]Because Corno is misinformed, I'd thought I would document a fact or two and a logical conclusion:

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first, I deny that teaching design is teaching creationism. there is nothing religious about intelligent design.


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The Discovery Institute, following the policies outlined by Phillip E. Johnson, obfuscates its agenda. Opposed to the public statements to the contrary made by the Discovery Institute, Johnson has admitted that the goal of intelligent design movement is to cast creationism as a scientific concept:
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Our strategy has been to change the subject a bit so that we can get the issue of intelligent design, which really means the reality of God, before the academic world and into the schools.[80]
This isn't really, and never has been a debate about science. It's about religion and philosophy.[81]
If we understand our own times, we will know that we should affirm the reality of God by challenging the domination of materialism and naturalism in the world of the mind. With the assistance of many friends I have developed a strategy for doing this....We call our strategy the 'wedge.'[82]
So the question is: "How to win?" That’s when I began to develop what you now see full-fledged in the "wedge" strategy: "Stick with the most important thing" —the mechanism and the building up of information. Get the Bible and the Book of Genesis out of the debate because you do not want to raise the so-called Bible-science dichotomy. Phrase the argument in such a way that you can get it heard in the secular academy and in a way that tends to unify the religious dissenters. That means concentrating on, "Do you need a Creator to do the creating, or can nature do it on its own?" and refusing to get sidetracked onto other issues, which people are always trying to do.[83]
– Phillip E. Johnson

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You'll notice that it is referenced.

So Corno, if ID is going to be taught in schools, we must also teach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster (May you be touched by his noodly appendage! Aaarrrgghhhhh!). You can learn more about his grand and glorious design of the universe
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So Corno, if ID is going to be taught in schools, we must also teach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster (May you be touched by his noodly appendage! Aaarrrgghhhhh!).


He actually has no problem with that, as long as it's what the parents of the local school want (we brought that up at some point in this thread; too long to find Razz). He doesn't want schools to do what they were created to do—to educate our children!—he wants it to do what the parents of the students want it to do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Damn common-words advertising program. Keeps causing SQL problems and thus my double posts. Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:41 am    Post subject: ID corno Reply with quote
Corno, your entire mind is a non-sequiter. I hope you'll excuse me if I must say: you lose.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry to bring this silly thread back up, but I was reading some sites on debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories and I found a graphic that perfectly describes what a scientific theory entails. This is why Creationism is not science:



You can't even pass the basic part of the equation, which is "Test".
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Toxic wrote:
Sorry to bring this silly thread back up, but I was reading some sites on debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories and I found a graphic that perfectly describes what a scientific theory entails. This is why Creationism is not science:



You can't even pass the basic part of the equation, which is "Test".

that graphic is confusing. There are much simpler models.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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that graphic is confusing.


Not if you take a little bit of time to think about it. It's not that difficult corno.
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