Register :: Log in :: Profile :: Mail   

Your Ad Here

Possible UFO collision over lake Superior......
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    LVC Home // Conspiracies and Theories

Ever seen or thought you've seen a UFO?
Yes
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
No
75%
 75%  [ 6 ]
Maybe
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Not Interested
12%
 12%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 8

Author Message
Xerxes
Forum Elder
Forum Elder


Joined: 15 Mar 2007
Posts: 1530
Location: 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:
That is not entirely true. We are taught that they do not exist. There is more testimony out there now that there is rather than to the contrary. I mean, out of the blue, here comes the microchip,


exton wrote:
Your ignorance of the history of scientific research does not constitute an indication that there was any "sudden" appearance of technology.


Are you telling me that the jump from the transistor to the microchip did not miss a few natural evolutionary steps?

Xerxes wrote:
suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, we have "Dolly", the cloned sheep. These things came from left field, with little or no warning. I know you will say that it is just the miracle of scientific discovery, but the leap from the transister to the microchip is not realistically just an advancement but a leap


exton wrote:
If you understood how and why transistors work, then you wouldn't be so incredulous.


I do, and I say that there was a suddeness to it. How would they know that you could use crystals or things like germanium and silicon. Were these used in previous technologies?

exton wrote:
and the leap to cloning is an even greater one.


exton wrote:
Do you even understand how cloning works?
They stick a needle into a cell, suck out the nucleus, and inject it into another cell.
That's it. There's nothing else to it.


It is not the act of cloning, it is the knowledge of DNA and genetics that was the sudden leap. Was there anything published on cloning pre-Dolly?

Xerxes wrote:
Usually there are preliminary studies and prototypes that would lead up to such an undertaking.


exton wrote:
If you'd actually bother to learn about technology and science, you wouldn't be so ignorant of the research that led to these thins.


Don't be condescending

Xerxes wrote:
There has been a lot of suppressing. People were threatened out at Roswell. Physically threatened. Is that suppression?


exton wrote:
Of knowledge of aliens?
No.


That's not supression? What about Corso:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmiccorso.html
he was in charge and even he said there was an alien craft and suppression?

exton wrote:
You know what crashed at roswell? A balloon.
It wasn't a weather balloon like the government claimed; it was from a project researching the use of very high altitude balloons for spying purposes. You know, somethig they wanted to keep secret - from the soviets especially. They didn't have satellites or spyplanes at the time.


Yeah, sure, it was a balloon, with a little "Swamp Gas" too.

Here is a possible form of propulsion in addition to the one I linked before.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/
Back to top
exton
Forum Elder
Forum Elder


Joined: 13 Dec 2006
Posts: 2825

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:

Are you telling me that the jump from the transistor to the microchip did not miss a few natural evolutionary steps?


That's pretty much what i'm telling you, yeah.

Quote:

I do, and I say that there was a suddeness to it. How would they know that you could use crystals or things like germanium and silicon. Were these used in previous technologies?


Yes, they were.

It's kind of hard to summarize the history of semiconductor research. I suppose i'd put it like this: people experimented with putting electrical current through different things, and some of them produced interesting results. It was really just a matter of trial and error, and accident. People tried a lot of different things, not necessarily with any goal in mind, just to see what would happen.

I found a decent website about it here:
http://www.jmargolin.com/history/trans.htm

here's another one, longer but good:
http://www.ieee.org/portal/sit.....hF84R2Z15l!2007632106

Once people figured out how diodes and whatnot worked, making a transistor wasn't an impossibly huge leap of imagination (although it definitely was a fantastic invention).

The change to integrated circuits was similarly not totally amazing. Knowing how semiconductors work, and being a little creative, it's not at all inconceiveable to come up with the idea of just directly implanting circuits onto plates of silicon dioxide.

Don't get me wrong - i think all of these things were awesome and amazing inventions. But they weren't at all impossible or unlikely, and they *certainly* did not require alien intervention.


Quote:

exton wrote:
Do you even understand how cloning works?
They stick a needle into a cell, suck out the nucleus, and inject it into another cell.
That's it. There's nothing else to it.


It is not the act of cloning, it is the knowledge of DNA and genetics that was the sudden leap. Was there anything published on cloning pre-Dolly?


Cloning specifically? Beats the hell out of me. I'd have to say almost certainly "yes", though. It's really cloning large, multicellular, sexual animals that's the amazing thing; cloning itself has been around forever. That's how single-celled organisms reproduce; they make clones of themselves.

And no, DNA and genetics weren't huge leaps either. It actually took a very long amount of time to figure all that stuff out.

The biggest leap - or the one people talk the most about - was the discovery of the structure of the DNA molecule. And that - like everytihng else - was not impossibly amazing, and it definitely did not require alien intervention.

Quote:

Don't be condescending


Sorry. It's just hard for me to believe that someone would think that these things are so amazing that they require being given to us by aliens.

Give the humans some credit man!

And read about these things! Nobody's trying to cover up anything about it. There are hundreds (or thousands) of books about all of this. Every detail of every invention and development is available for your scrutiny, if you would just go and read about it.

Quote:

That's not supression? What about Corso:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmiccorso.html
he was in charge and even he said there was an alien craft and suppression?


A: That's total fiction.
B: I can't believe you bought into that. You really should read about the technologies it cites. Or, i could briefly describe them to you. They're not alien.

That's really the sort of story that plays off of the reader's ignorance of how technology works. When you don't know how something works and how it came about, it definitely seems like magic.

Quote:

Yeah, sure, it was a balloon, with a little "Swamp Gas" too.

Here is a possible form of propulsion in addition to the one I linked before.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/


That whole website is a meaningless rant. It's a flagrant abuse of jargon and buzz-words; it tries to convince the reader through blinding him with jargon. If you understand what the jargon means, it becomes very clear that the whole thing is just nonsense jibberish.

Would you like me to point you to good books on the subjects of science and engineering?

Or websites; i can point you to some good websites on the matter.

You really have to learn about this stuff if you want to read about it; otherwise you're going to get suckered into things like the website you linked.
Back to top
Post new topic   Reply to topic    LVC Home // Conspiracies and Theories All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4
Page 4 of 4

 


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Add to My Yahoo! Add to Google

Politics Blogs - Blog Top Sites Politics Blogs Politics