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Ever seen or thought you've seen a UFO?
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jusdeadphunky
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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*slaps forehead*

The authorities are already "alerted". Everyone knows something is down there. If the government actually wanted to "cover up" anything, they'd go in there, pull out the second object, and not tell anyone.

Moreover, why would the government care to cover anything up? The canadian government, much less?


i will give you the canadian government aspect. they do allow quebec to vote to stay part of the union and if the people say no, the are content with letting 1/3 of their economy become a separate entity, so i guess they would not be trying to cover up anything.

can you imagine the ramifications of the existence of alien life to be confirmed and for it to be confirmed that these aliens fly to our planet and do god knows what here?

that is why the government would seek to cover it up.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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can you imagine the ramifications of the existence of alien life to be confirmed and for it to be confirmed that these aliens fly to our planet and do god knows what here?

that is why the government would seek to cover it up.


Explicitly state what you have in mind. I hate guessing games.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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jusdeadphunky wrote:

can you imagine the ramifications of the existence of alien life to be confirmed and for it to be confirmed that these aliens fly to our planet and do god knows what here?

that is why the government would seek to cover it up.


Explicitly state what you have in mind. I hate guessing games.


it goes against everything that we have been taught and told by the government. if one were able to prove that UFOs and aliens exist, some people would embrace mass hysteria and desire to protect ourselves from the aliens, others would to make friends with the aliens, some would loose confidence and trust in the government for suppressing this information for so long, and things of that sort. it would create a problem for the government. (u.s. in specific)

i don't really know how to explain this well, if you would like more clarification about what i am trying to get at i think i can use JFK's assassination and 9/11 to explain it better.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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it goes against everything that we have been taught and told by the government.


Taught? They don't "teach" us anything about aliens and spacecraft, and they've said - truthfully, mind you - that they don't know anything about alien spacecraft, and they have no aliens or alien technology in their possession.

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if one were able to prove that UFOs and aliens exist, some people would embrace mass hysteria and desire to protect ourselves from the aliens, others would to make friends with the aliens, some would loose confidence and trust in the government for suppressing this information for so long


Suppressing what information? There's nothing to suppress. It may come as a surprise to you, but the U.S. government seriously knows nothing about any aliens.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Suppressing what information? There's nothing to suppress. It may come as a surprise to you, but the U.S. government seriously knows nothing about any aliens.


you know that if this turns out to in fact be an alien spacecraft, people will look back to things like area 55 and all the people who claim to have been abducted and think that the government has know and choose to suppress it.

how would you possibly know what the government knows and does not know about aliens?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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you know that if this turns out to in fact be an alien spacecraft, people will look back to things like area 55


You mean area 51? Yeah. And what, exactly, do you think went on there?

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and all the people who claim to have been abducted


Aliens abducting people doesn't have much to do with the government. Not to mention that such claims of abduction are almost always thoroughly absurd and implausible.

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and think that the government has know and choose to suppress it.


Those such people already believe that the government is hiding things. People that are prone to paranoia and delusions of grandeur never limit their speculations on account of reality.

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how would you possibly know what the government knows and does not know about aliens?


Contrary to popular belief, the government doesn't keep secrets very well.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You mean area 51? Yeah. And what, exactly, do you think went on there?


yes that is exactly what i meant, and i don't know what went on there, if anything.

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Aliens abducting people doesn't have much to do with the government. Not to mention that such claims of abduction are almost always thoroughly absurd and implausible.


ah but if they prove that UFOs and aliens exist those absurd claims will gain validity...


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Those such people already believe that the government is hiding things. People that are prone to paranoia and delusions of grandeur never limit their speculations on account of reality.


the government does hide things, but if it is proven that UFOs and aliens exist there certainly will be a surge in the numbers of people who feel this way.

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Contrary to popular belief, the government doesn't keep secrets very well.


they keep them very well, however decades later things tend to come out.

did they not do a good job of keeping mind control experiments, secret?

what about the acid tests?

what about trading arms for heroin with the philippines?

what about trading arms for cocaine?

what about bombing cambodia?

what about the dangers of agent orange?

what about foreknowledge of pearl harbor being attacked?

they hid all of these things well for decades...
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You mean area 51? Yeah. And what, exactly, do you think went on there?


yes that is exactly what i meant, and i don't know what went on there, if anything.


Aircraft testing. That's what they did there.

Of course, when a bunch of assholes are wandering around in the desert at night and they see flying triangles with lights, what are they going to think?

The smarter ones realize it's just aircraft (which turned out to be things like f-117's and b-2's). The dumber ones come up with things like "hey, mebbe it's aliens!"

I think the air force deliberately puts up an air of excessive secrecy (such as not acknowledging that the base exists) in order to promote rumors like that - if people think it's aliens, then they *won't* think that it's experimental military aircraft. Which, in fact, it is.

Area 51 probably isn't even used any more. The government keeps it "secret" anyway to distract attention from the real testing sites elsewhere.

They also used it for dumping toxic chemicals a few times. The thing about places that don't exist is that they don't have environmental laws. I think there was a lawsuit about it.

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Aliens abducting people doesn't have much to do with the government. Not to mention that such claims of abduction are almost always thoroughly absurd and implausible.


ah but if they prove that UFOs and aliens exist those absurd claims will gain validity...


Only for fools. The claims aren't absurd just because they lack evidence - they're absurd because they're thoroughly implausible, even assuming the existence of alien spacecraft on earth.


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Contrary to popular belief, the government doesn't keep secrets very well.

they keep them very well, however decades later things tend to come out.
did they not do a good job of keeping mind control experiments, secret?
what about the acid tests?
what about trading arms for heroin with the philippines?
what about trading arms for cocaine?
what about bombing cambodia?
what about the dangers of agent orange?
what about foreknowledge of pearl harbor being attacked?
they hid all of these things well for decades...


I couldn't tell you; those things were before my time.

Mind control experiments, you say? You mean unsuccesful ones, right?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Mind control experiments, you say? You mean unsuccesful ones, right?


well yea...of course.

it is a fascinating read...our government has done some fucked up things.

i think i can dig a history channel show about them...hang on
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No need. I'm somewhat familiar with the government's forrays into the territory of bullshit and pseudoscience. Huge wastes of money.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
sorry i can't find it, but there is all sorts of congressional testimony about MKULTRA on youtube.


they used to drill holes in peoples' skulls and put coke on it and they tried THC sprays and all sorts of crazy stuff before experimenting with LSD for at least a decade to use for mind control.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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jusdeadphunky wrote:

can you imagine the ramifications of the existence of alien life to be confirmed and for it to be confirmed that these aliens fly to our planet and do god knows what here?

that is why the government would seek to cover it up.


Explicitly state what you have in mind. I hate guessing games.


I imagine we'd be bound together against the common foe that is E.T.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Taught? They don't "teach" us anything about aliens and spacecraft, and they've said - truthfully, mind you - that they don't know anything about alien spacecraft, and they have no aliens or alien technology in their possession.


That is not entirely true. We are taught that they do not exist. There is more testimony out there now that there is rather than to the contrary. I mean, out of the blue, here comes the microchip, suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, we have "Dolly", the cloned sheep. These things came from left field, with little or no warning. I know you will say that it is just the miracle of scientific discovery, but the leap from the transister to the microchip is not realistically just an advancement but a leap and the leap to cloning is an even greater one. Usually there are preliminary studies and prototypes that would lead up to such an undertaking. And we have no evidence as to what they have and what they do not have.

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Suppressing what information? There's nothing to suppress. It may come as a surprise to you, but the U.S. government seriously knows nothing about any aliens.


There has been a lot of suppressing. People were threatened out at Roswell. Physically threatened. Is that suppression? The government knows more than they are saying, that is all I know. The CIA still keeps a file on them. And the Mexican gov. seems to take them quite seriously. Along with other nations.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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exton wrote:
Taught? They don't "teach" us anything about aliens and spacecraft, and they've said - truthfully, mind you - that they don't know anything about alien spacecraft, and they have no aliens or alien technology in their possession.


That is not entirely true. We are taught that they do not exist. There is more testimony out there now that there is rather than to the contrary. I mean, out of the blue, here comes the microchip, suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, we have "Dolly", the cloned sheep. These things came from left field, with little or no warning. I know you will say that it is just the miracle of scientific discovery, but the leap from the transister to the microchip is not realistically just an advancement but a leap and the leap to cloning is an even greater one. Usually there are preliminary studies and prototypes that would lead up to such an undertaking. And we have no evidence as to what they have and what they do not have.


WHAT?!? With respect to vacumn tube transistors to solid-state transistors we have plenty of evidence of early prototyping and theories. Additionally, we have a concrete evidence of extensive national interest in this field of research: radar one of the great 'weapons' of WWII was the incentive for research into field-effects and efficiencies in electric fields.

All of this are direct precursors to the transistor and the military/commercial advantages of transistors pushed us to solid-state devices. Extensive research into germanium diodes and other crystaline material was done in Germany during the war.

As for cloning, the ideas of cloning have been with us in horticulture for decades, plants are great for making clones since they regenerate. The success of "Dolly" was not sudden and out of the blue, it was documented and researched extensively. Work with DNA is one obvious precursor to cloning.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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[b]That is not entirely true. We are taught that they do not exist. There is more testimony out there now that there is rather than to the contrary. I mean, out of the blue, here comes the microchip,


Your ignorance of the history of scientific research does not constitute an indication that there was any "sudden" appearance of technology.

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suddenly, with no warning whatsoever, we have "Dolly", the cloned sheep. These things came from left field, with little or no warning. I know you will say that it is just the miracle of scientific discovery, but the leap from the transister to the microchip is not realistically just an advancement but a leap


If you understood how and why transistors work, then you wouldn't be so incredulous.

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and the leap to cloning is an even greater one.


Do you even understand how cloning works?

They stick a needle into a cell, suck out the nucleus, and inject it into another cell.

That's it. There's nothing else to it.

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Usually there are preliminary studies and prototypes that would lead up to such an undertaking.


If you'd actually bother to learn about technology and science, you wouldn't be so ignorant of the research that led to these thins.

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There has been a lot of suppressing. People were threatened out at Roswell. Physically threatened. Is that suppression?


Of knowledge of aliens?
No.

You know what crashed at roswell? A balloon.

It wasn't a weather balloon like the government claimed; it was from a project researching the use of very high altitude balloons for spying purposes. You know, somethig they wanted to keep secret - from the soviets especially. They didn't have satellites or spyplanes at the time.
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