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Lester
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, but I *do* understand it.

I agree that it would be difficult to execute, but like all things, the right people in the right places at the right times, things fall into place, and sure there will be a few mistakes to begin with, there always is, the main thing is to get past them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:

the right people in the right places at the right times, things fall into place,


History has shown us that we can not expect that to happen, much less rely on it to happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:

the right people in the right places at the right times, things fall into place,


History has shown us that we can not expect that to happen, much less rely on it to happen.


I don't want us to expect or rely, I want us to *make* is happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
History has shown us that that, too, does not work. Relying on individual competance only works for about a generation. After that, it's a roll of the dice.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thats why education is so important, people need to train their succeosors.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Like i said; history has shown us that we can not rely on that. It inevitably fails.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
not inevitably, america succeeded for quite a while.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah, but america does not depend (nor has it ever) on the competance of the people running our government. Our way of doing things is specifically designed to (amongst other things) minimize the amount of damage that any one person can do. Spectacullarly competant public servents are always a good thing, but spectacularly incompetant ones won't instantly break the system.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Bull, the President of the United States is also the Commander in Chief, he could most definately ruin the country within four years.

Add to that the possibility that one party could control the senate, the congress, AND the president, that particular president better be a damn good person, because if he decides he doesn't have enough control of the populace... I mean, look what McCarthy did to the country! He was only a senator! Spectacularly incompetent people in the right climate, boom, your whole system falls down, the exact words of the U.S. constituition have been used in other countries and ended up with vicious dictators.

Also, I said the 'right' people, that covers a whole lot more than competence, if there was someone who secretly harboured a desire to destroy america and he got elected? I'm talking World War III, the Great Depression and the Holocaust all wrapped in one convenient little bundle.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Bull, the President of the United States is also the Commander in Chief, he could most definately ruin the country within four years.


Only if congress, the supreme court, and the states allow it to happen.

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I mean, look what McCarthy did to the country! He was only a senator! Spectacularly incompetent people in the right climate, boom, your whole system falls down,


Maccarthy, himself, did nothing momentous. One crazy senator on his own won't get much of a following (example: ted stevens). McCarthyism is an example of all of america screwing itself over, not just one guy.

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the exact words of the U.S. constituition have been used in other countries and ended up with vicious dictators.


Laws are meaningless if everyone decides to not follow them.

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Also, I said the 'right' people, that covers a whole lot more than competence, if there was someone who secretly harboured a desire to destroy america and he got elected? I'm talking World War III, the Great Depression and the Holocaust all wrapped in one convenient little bundle.


I'd take an evil genius over a benign incompetant any day.

And moreover, that's exactly what i'm talking about; you can't prevent incompetance, evil, megalomania, etc from infecting a government in the long run.
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