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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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"So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?" Wow. Use some intelligence. Lets think about this. Why would someone care if their enemy is emboldened? HMMMM that's a tough one. Get real.


So? What's your reason for caring about the emboldening of your enemies?


HMMMMM, why would you want to help the enemy in a fight? HMMMMMM that's a tough one! Here's a suggestion, go up to someone and punch them, then hand them a baseball bat.


embolden v.:
give encouragement to


'Encouragement' does not mean 'aiding' or 'helping'. When you encourage someone, you alter their emotional state; you don't actually change their ability to do anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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"So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?" Wow. Use some intelligence. Lets think about this. Why would someone care if their enemy is emboldened? HMMMM that's a tough one. Get real.


So? What's your reason for caring about the emboldening of your enemies?


HMMMMM, why would you want to help the enemy in a fight? HMMMMMM that's a tough one! Here's a suggestion, go up to someone and punch them, then hand them a baseball bat.


embolden v.:
give encouragement to


'Encouragement' does not mean 'aiding' or 'helping'. When you encourage someone, you alter their emotional state; you don't actually change their ability to do anything.


Unless it's a cartoon, in which case it makes them all red and ten times stronger.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Woohoo! Just got my "Known Associate" 2nd flag.....Next stop, MY VERY OWN F.B.I. FILE! LoL
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What are you talking about xerxes?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Why was this posted here?

Show some respect to your elders!

I think Jusdeadphunky is hitting 1000 soon...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
OH, okay, i thought he was talking about the FBI really watching him...

I get it now.
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lol smooth exton.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?


The fight found us on 9/11 and we were far from looking for it. There are millions of muslims who want a fight and if we dont go take it to them they will eventually bring it to us be it here or at our embassy's. We have seen it time and time again from them. I know you dont need a brief terror history lesson.


We are a civilized nation. As such, we hold ourselves to higher standards than they hold themselves to.

Attacking an entire population merely because they desire our demise is wrong. Attacking when you haven't been attacked is the wrong way to go about things.

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No totally rational thought. See if you use the pig fat or blood on the enemy , who so freely lay down their lives expecting virgins in heaven, they may stop or at least the suicides will.


Has anyone actually tried to determine the efficacy of this?

The gun grease one is especially tenuous. It only works if the attacker knows that the gun is greased.

And even then, i don't know that a fanatic would stop an attack, even given how much many of them hate pigs.

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Yes, oh, should I feel bad for them?


Well, you're comparing fighting terrorism to a real war. Particularly WWII. You should know better than that; the two are apples and oranges.

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UBL was son of one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, Zarqawi and Zawahari both Dr.'s. I do know why these people become terrorists, because the islamic schools teach hate for Christians and Jews and the West. Convincing them if they kill us they will be rewarded by 72 virgins in heaven. Their governments starve them from food, choice, free thought. It really is sad , but that doesn't mean they shouldn't die, otherwise we die.


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No, it means that we only slaughter them all when they actually try to kill us.


Tell me, what did they do on 9/11? I think they actually tried to kill us, and did!!! Or have you forgotten? So if your method is right we should "slaughter them all"?


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You think Barrack Hussein Obama or Pelosi or Kucinich would really protect us.


Do i think they would be competant as commanders in chief of the military? Yes. Can you give me a reason that i shouldn't?

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So the point is, I don't care what they think just what the result of their thought is , hopefully not another huge attack.


So...why restrain discourse that "emboldens" them, then?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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No, it means that we only slaughter them all when they actually try to kill us.


Tell me, what did they do on 9/11? I think they actually tried to kill us, and did!!! Or have you forgotten? So if your method is right we should "slaughter them all"?


The terrorists that attacked on 9/11 all died. And we went after the folks in afganistan that helped them get it done.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If O'Neil is your hero, how do you think it was an inside job, that is opposite of everything he was saying.


John O'Neill was a great American patriot and his Bin Laden unit was completely gutted. Every time he got close to Bin Laden, he got called off. He quit in disgust! It is ironic that he took a job as the head of security at the towers themselves and was in fact killed that day.

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The building did pancake because the floors that melted gave way. You should read this article, http://www.popularmechanics.co.....27842.html



There was no reports of the sonic claps that would have accompanied the pancake theory. I read the Popular Mechanics article when it first came out. The articles' authors were scheduled for a debate by the makers of the"Loose Change" video Avery, Rowe and Bermas. I do not think they (Popular Mechanics) won the debate.


Here are some kick ass links in regards to many things related to this topic, also how Popular Mechanics backed out of the debate:


If you want to check out the whole vid, go here to see it:



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And I dont think I questioned your patriotism, thank you for your service, it is a shame you are willing to blame America first, even though these same islamofascists have been at us for the last 25yrs.



I do not equate "America" to our elected leaders. Two separate entities. I did not blame America first, I blamed it third or maybe fourth. And substitute "America" with "A small group of very rich, dangerous and bitter white men from both sides of the aisle (because the whole Left/Right thing is a sham) who are remnants of the Nixon administration and wish to lead America into tyranny and oppression in conjunction with perpetual war"....and you got yourself a winner.

Note: George Soros was the owner of the company that removed all the debris from the Trade center, it was removed rather quickly and with great haste. It went to scrap and was never fully analyzed.
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I really can't believe you guys believe this stuff. So few experts, so much speculation. Simple common sense can be used to discredit much of this. One point is that these demolimtions charges heard coming from the building were not timed like if you were going to blow a builing and there were two, you would need alot more to drop the WTC. So if it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon what was it? I have heard no claims of anything else? And why wouldn't they just use a plane like the one used in the NASA experiment so that there would be no debate? Just doesn't hold water. Also it sounds like these plans were beginning in the Clinton era. So does that mean W and Bill are co-conspirators in this, whose idea was it, Bill's or W's? Come on, start reading fact and stop watching amateur movies.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
SteelCityConservative wrote:
Xerxes wrote:
SteelCityConservative wrote:
If O'Neil is your hero, how do you think it was an inside job, that is opposite of everything he was saying.


John O'Neill was a great American patriot and his Bin Laden unit was completely gutted. Every time he got close to Bin Laden, he got called off. He quit in disgust! It is ironic that he took a job as the head of security at the towers themselves and was in fact killed that day.

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The building did pancake because the floors that melted gave way. You should read this article, http://www.popularmechanics.co.....27842.html



There was no reports of the sonic claps that would have accompanied the pancake theory. I read the Popular Mechanics article when it first came out. The articles' authors were scheduled for a debate by the makers of the"Loose Change" video Avery, Rowe and Bermas. I do not think they (Popular Mechanics) won the debate.


Here are some kick ass links in regards to many things related to this topic, also how Popular Mechanics backed out of the debate:


If you want to check out the whole vid, go here to see it:



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And I dont think I questioned your patriotism, thank you for your service, it is a shame you are willing to blame America first, even though these same islamofascists have been at us for the last 25yrs.



I do not equate "America" to our elected leaders. Two separate entities. I did not blame America first, I blamed it third or maybe fourth. And substitute "America" with "A small group of very rich, dangerous and bitter white men from both sides of the aisle (because the whole Left/Right thing is a sham) who are remnants of the Nixon administration and wish to lead America into tyranny and oppression in conjunction with perpetual war"....and you got yourself a winner.

Note: George Soros was the owner of the company that removed all the debris from the Trade center, it was removed rather quickly and with great haste. It went to scrap and was never fully analyzed.
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I really can't believe you guys believe this stuff. So few experts, so much speculation. Simple common sense can be used to discredit much of this. One point is that these demolimtions charges heard coming from the building were not timed like if you were going to blow a builing and there were two, you would need alot more to drop the WTC. So if it was not a plane that hit the Pentagon what was it? I have heard no claims of anything else? And why wouldn't they just use a plane like the one used in the NASA experiment so that there would be no debate? Just doesn't hold water. Also it sounds like these plans were beginning in the Clinton era. So does that mean W and Bill are co-conspirators in this, whose idea was it, Bill's or W's? Come on, start reading fact and stop watching amateur movies.



Try reading "Debunking 9/11 Myths" you might learn something. Or are you just happy with how the conspiracies sound and make the government look even if they are just lies?
How old are you by the way? May I ask where you were stationed out of and what unit you served in?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:23 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Nice try....not buyin it. Commercial aircraft do not have military transponders.


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What's this talk of military transponders?


Transponder: A beacon that signifies it as being commercial or military. Anything other than military is to be treated as a hostile. I don't see there being a whole lot of accidental flights over the Pentagon. Why would they have missile batteries, anyway, and not use them. Isn't it the first directive of the federal gov't to protect and defend the borders of the US?

Ask yourself this: If you were pres. on 9/11 and you knew for certain that we were attacked by a foreign source, what would be the first thing that you would do? I personally would seal the borders up tighter than a frogs ass. There was no border beefing-up because there was no external threat. And I don't think that I would let the whole Bin Laden family just fly out of the country unimpeded, without answering a few questions.

That is not just some conspiracy theory crap. That is a matter of public record in regard to the Bin Ladens' exodus from the country. One of those things the Warren Commi, I mean the 9/11 Commission failed to address.



Xerxes you act as if there is a big invisible gate that after 9/11 could be closed and no one would be able to get in. In Fact Republicans have been calling on not a gate, but a fence with real security patrolling it. I do think the President dropped the ball here and will not defend his inaction to begin a fence when he had the full support of Congress after 9/11.

In regards to Bin Laden's family. Here is a site to debunk your conspiracy theory using the very source you use to make your claim, the 9/11 Commission Report, which I own and you probably have never looked at.(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) So next time you try to defend your anti-American conspiracy garbage with a source, try actually reading the source. You people disgust me. By the the way, your name tells alot about you. And if the 9/11 Report is not good enough here is a CBSNEWS article that says they were not flown out until the flight ban was lifted. Do you really think the FBI did not question them? You know I did a google search and found these two articles in 5 seconds. Try taking some time to educate yourself and stop relying on MOVEON and the Soros left wing liberal anti-American anti-West ideologs to do your thinking for you.

"Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml)


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Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.


GOOD how many Americans were terrified after the events of that day. At least someone else besides our citizens were the ones who were terrified.

I understand your anger, I felt the same way the first time that someone suggested to me that 9/11 might have been an inside job. It was unthinkable that it could even be possible! So I started investigating because I wanted to prove that forked-tounge devil motherfucker wrong.

Regardless of what name I use on libs v cons, Xerxes....(If it is good enough for Kissinger to use as his code name during his moonlight negotiations w/N. Vietnam), then it should be ok for me too. Also, it has nothing to do with my great love for Iran. It just kinda has a nice ring to it, it just kinda rolls off the toungue. I also have a great love for our constitution and wish to see it preserved. It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism

Now, in regards to the 9/11 pdf that I downloaded @ ,all 2.3 GB of it. I could not find the section that dealt with any Bin Laden Family Interrogations that was done. But, if I'm not mistaken, Clarke testified to the contrary.

But, to the meat of the issue "Was 9/11 an inside job or not". You think no, I say yes. We will agree to disagree. Remember men have fought and died so you and I could even have this conversation.

There is overwhelming evidence out there that it was, in fact, very fishy, at the very best description of it. "Inside job at the worst". That is a very bitter pill to swallow. Too many contradictions, obfuscation, and just outright lies. Just the physics of the builings falling in freefall not in a pancake fashion as if it were a controlled explosion. To building 7 and the drop in the airplane stock prior. To also take into consideration all of the warnings former FBI agent John O'Neil's (My hero) about Binnyboy's plotting to attack America that went completely ignored by both the Bush AND Clinton Administrations...

I don't conclusively know what happened that day, any more than you do or anyone else who happens to read this. So, just accept the fact that there is a percentage of people in this country who don't believe the official version of the day's events. Maybe someone out there could provide that exact poll percentage for us. Anyway, to believe the 9/11 report is to also believe the final findings of the Warren Commission. And there's even MORE people that don't buy that one.

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Anyway, I bear you no ill will or anything. I don't hate you because you have your opinion. Please give me the "Reacharound", and don't hate me for mine, besides, who cares....even if it was an inside job.....what could we do about it? Idea


Well as a member of the Army you should know exactly what should be done. You said above "It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism"
Well sir I do question it. If you took an oath "I, Xerxes, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.", then perhaps if you really believe this was an inside job and the constitution is under attack you should find like minded people and take up arms. Are you really who say you are, are you really a patriot?
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While I do not wish to see this happen, because I do not believe the lies and conspiracies you let yourself believe, I do think if I truly believed such things it would seriously consider such an act.

Putting Aside Differences

"That in a free government there should be differences of opinion as to public measures and the conduct of those who direct them, is to be expected. It is much, however, to be lamented that these differences should be indulged at a crisis which calls for the undivided counsels and energies of our country, and in a form calculated to encourage our enemies in the refusal of justice, and to force their country into war as the only resource for obtaining it." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Republicans, 1809. ME 16:339

"The times do certainly render it incumbent on all good citizens attached to the rights and honor of their country to bury in oblivion all internal differences and rally around the standard of their country in opposition to the outrages of foreign nations. All attempts to enfeeble and destroy the exertions of the General Government in vindication of our national rights, or to loosen the bands of Union by alienating the affections of the people, or opposing the authority of the laws at so eventful a period, merit the discountenance of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Daniel D. Tompkins, 1809. ME 16:341

"[It is a] sacred principle, that in opposing foreign wrong there must be but one mind." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New York Tammany Society, 1808. ME 16:303

"A nation, while it holds together, is strong against its enemies, but, breaking into parts, it is easily destroyed." --Thomas Jefferson: Address to Osage Nation, 1806. ME 16:419
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Xerxes wrote:
SteelCityConservative wrote:
Xerxes wrote:
exton wrote:
Xerxes wrote:
Nice try....not buyin it. Commercial aircraft do not have military transponders.


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What's this talk of military transponders?


Transponder: A beacon that signifies it as being commercial or military. Anything other than military is to be treated as a hostile. I don't see there being a whole lot of accidental flights over the Pentagon. Why would they have missile batteries, anyway, and not use them. Isn't it the first directive of the federal gov't to protect and defend the borders of the US?

Ask yourself this: If you were pres. on 9/11 and you knew for certain that we were attacked by a foreign source, what would be the first thing that you would do? I personally would seal the borders up tighter than a frogs ass. There was no border beefing-up because there was no external threat. And I don't think that I would let the whole Bin Laden family just fly out of the country unimpeded, without answering a few questions.

That is not just some conspiracy theory crap. That is a matter of public record in regard to the Bin Ladens' exodus from the country. One of those things the Warren Commi, I mean the 9/11 Commission failed to address.



Xerxes you act as if there is a big invisible gate that after 9/11 could be closed and no one would be able to get in. In Fact Republicans have been calling on not a gate, but a fence with real security patrolling it. I do think the President dropped the ball here and will not defend his inaction to begin a fence when he had the full support of Congress after 9/11.

In regards to Bin Laden's family. Here is a site to debunk your conspiracy theory using the very source you use to make your claim, the 9/11 Commission Report, which I own and you probably have never looked at.(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) So next time you try to defend your anti-American conspiracy garbage with a source, try actually reading the source. You people disgust me. By the the way, your name tells alot about you. And if the 9/11 Report is not good enough here is a CBSNEWS article that says they were not flown out until the flight ban was lifted. Do you really think the FBI did not question them? You know I did a google search and found these two articles in 5 seconds. Try taking some time to educate yourself and stop relying on MOVEON and the Soros left wing liberal anti-American anti-West ideologs to do your thinking for you.

"Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml)


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Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.


GOOD how many Americans were terrified after the events of that day. At least someone else besides our citizens were the ones who were terrified.

I understand your anger, I felt the same way the first time that someone suggested to me that 9/11 might have been an inside job. It was unthinkable that it could even be possible! So I started investigating because I wanted to prove that forked-tounge devil motherfucker wrong.

Regardless of what name I use on libs v cons, Xerxes....(If it is good enough for Kissinger to use as his code name during his moonlight negotiations w/N. Vietnam), then it should be ok for me too. Also, it has nothing to do with my great love for Iran. It just kinda has a nice ring to it, it just kinda rolls off the toungue. I also have a great love for our constitution and wish to see it preserved. It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism

Now, in regards to the 9/11 pdf that I downloaded @ ,all 2.3 GB of it. I could not find the section that dealt with any Bin Laden Family Interrogations that was done. But, if I'm not mistaken, Clarke testified to the contrary.

But, to the meat of the issue "Was 9/11 an inside job or not". You think no, I say yes. We will agree to disagree. Remember men have fought and died so you and I could even have this conversation.

There is overwhelming evidence out there that it was, in fact, very fishy, at the very best description of it. "Inside job at the worst". That is a very bitter pill to swallow. Too many contradictions, obfuscation, and just outright lies. Just the physics of the builings falling in freefall not in a pancake fashion as if it were a controlled explosion. To building 7 and the drop in the airplane stock prior. To also take into consideration all of the warnings former FBI agent John O'Neil's (My hero) about Binnyboy's plotting to attack America that went completely ignored by both the Bush AND Clinton Administrations...

I don't conclusively know what happened that day, any more than you do or anyone else who happens to read this. So, just accept the fact that there is a percentage of people in this country who don't believe the official version of the day's events. Maybe someone out there could provide that exact poll percentage for us. Anyway, to believe the 9/11 report is to also believe the final findings of the Warren Commission. And there's even MORE people that don't buy that one.

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Anyway, I bear you no ill will or anything. I don't hate you because you have your opinion. Please give me the "Reacharound", and don't hate me for mine, besides, who cares....even if it was an inside job.....what could we do about it? Idea


Well as a member of the Army you should know exactly what should be done. You said above "It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism"
Well sir I do question it. If you took an oath "I, Xerxes, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.", then perhaps if you really believe this was an inside job and the constitution is under attack you should find like minded people and take up arms. Are you really who say you are, are you really a patriot?
Every generation needs a new revolution.-Thomas Jefferson
While I do not wish to see this happen, because I do not believe the lies and conspiracies you let yourself believe, I do think if I truly believed such things it would seriously consider such an act.

Putting Aside Differences

"That in a free government there should be differences of opinion as to public measures and the conduct of those who direct them, is to be expected. It is much, however, to be lamented that these differences should be indulged at a crisis which calls for the undivided counsels and energies of our country, and in a form calculated to encourage our enemies in the refusal of justice, and to force their country into war as the only resource for obtaining it." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Republicans, 1809. ME 16:339

"The times do certainly render it incumbent on all good citizens attached to the rights and honor of their country to bury in oblivion all internal differences and rally around the standard of their country in opposition to the outrages of foreign nations. All attempts to enfeeble and destroy the exertions of the General Government in vindication of our national rights, or to loosen the bands of Union by alienating the affections of the people, or opposing the authority of the laws at so eventful a period, merit the discountenance of all." --Thomas Jefferson to Daniel D. Tompkins, 1809. ME 16:341

"[It is a] sacred principle, that in opposing foreign wrong there must be but one mind." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New York Tammany Society, 1808. ME 16:303

"A nation, while it holds together, is strong against its enemies, but, breaking into parts, it is easily destroyed." --Thomas Jefferson: Address to Osage Nation, 1806. ME 16:419


OK, like I say, we shall agree to disagree. It is too depressing to think about for a while, anyway. On a lighter note, we are talking about CIA/Taliban sponsored death squads in Iran now on another forum, if you care to join. Very Happy


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Too depressing? It was three thousand measly people.
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