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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Does a wide variety of options include sanctions? We tried that for 12 years.


I was talking about terrorism, not iraq. I don't think iraq posed a problem that merited war at all.

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"It doesn't make sense to lash out at muslims as a whole." Tell me who is lashing out as Muslims as a whole?


The guy to whom i was responding? Here's (most of) the relevent text from his post:

I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell. Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns.

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"So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?" Wow. Use some intelligence. Lets think about this. Why would someone care if their enemy is emboldened? HMMMM that's a tough one. Get real.


So? What's your reason for caring about the emboldening of your enemies?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:57 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Sorry but I still see countries that use nationalism and Islam as there propaganda tool for hate, as Islamofascists. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Lybya. They all have dictators and are all have official religions(Islam) and are all nationalistic. And if it emotionally offends someone to bad.


No no, that's not the problem at all.

The problem is the use of deception in trying to get someone to believe something. Using an appeal to emotion (by using the word "fascist" to link islam to negative emotions) is bad form.

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I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell.


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Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?


The fight found us on 9/11 and we were far from looking for it. There are millions of muslims who want a fight and if we dont go take it to them they will eventually bring it to us be it here or at our embassy's. We have seen it time and time again from them. I know you dont need a brief terror history lesson.

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Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns. It is time to cut the PC crap and call a spade a spade. You want to coddle them fine but when the snake bites AGAIN, it may be you who gets bit. I hope I arouse emotion here, because my emotion is already aroused,


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That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.

No totally rational thought. See if you use the pig fat or blood on the enemy , who so freely lay down their lives expecting virgins in heaven, they may stop or at least the suicides will.

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Where is Churchill to bomb them back to the stone age? Where is FDR to lock up every suspicious Muslim? Nowhere, well thats why we have a long War ahead of us.


Do you understand what terrorism is, and why people become terrorists? Yes, oh, should I feel bad for them?

UBL was son of one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, Zarqawi and Zawahari both Dr.'s. I do know why these people become terrorists, because the islamic schools teach hate for Christians and Jews and the West. Convincing them if they kill us they will be rewarded by 72 virgins in heaven. Their governments starve them from food, choice, free thought. It really is sad , but that doesn't mean they shouldn't die, otherwise we die.

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This is WWIII like it or not, the enemy is emboldened every time he hears Kennedy and the rest of the Left call the President a liar.


So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so.

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They gane faith they can win when they see how we ran from Vietnam, ran from Somolia,


Faith doesn't win wars.

See UBL specifically said the Black Hawk Down retreat
gave hope, which gives recruiting strength. Gets them money to fund expensive attacks like 9/11. Yes, I know we will never lose to them, well, depends who you have in office I suppose. You think Barrack Hussein Obama or Pelosi or Kucinich would really protect us. So the point is, I don't care what they think just what the result of their thought is , hopefully not another huge attack.

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could not stomach a regime change in the Gulf War,


George bush the senior didn't push regime change in iraq because he feared that we'd get into the situation we're in now.

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and now they see us put dead lines on this war. Hmm, I bet they know the dead line date and are ready to calm down resupply and regroup until we are gone.


What are they doing to do when we're gone?

The insurgents in iraq are not the same as the terrorists who dedicate their lives to destroying america. Although i imagine many of them would like america destroyed, that's not their motivation in iraq.

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The Dems will take credit and and win the '08 election and soon after we will get hit and/or Iraqs streets will fill with blood in the most televised genocide ever and Pelosi will be to blame. Thats my word and I'm sticking to it.


Life isn't quite that simple.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:07 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Sorry but I still see countries that use nationalism and Islam as there propaganda tool for hate, as Islamofascists. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Lybya. They all have dictators and are all have official religions(Islam) and are all nationalistic. And if it emotionally offends someone to bad.


No no, that's not the problem at all.

The problem is the use of deception in trying to get someone to believe something. Using an appeal to emotion (by using the word "fascist" to link islam to negative emotions) is bad form.

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I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell.


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Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?


The fight found us on 9/11 and we were far from looking for it. There are millions of muslims who want a fight and if we dont go take it to them they will eventually bring it to us be it here or at our embassy's. We have seen it time and time again from them. I know you dont need a brief terror history lesson.

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Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns. It is time to cut the PC crap and call a spade a spade. You want to coddle them fine but when the snake bites AGAIN, it may be you who gets bit. I hope I arouse emotion here, because my emotion is already aroused,


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That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.

No totally rational thought. See if you use the pig fat or blood on the enemy , who so freely lay down their lives expecting virgins in heaven, they may stop or at least the suicides will.

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Where is Churchill to bomb them back to the stone age? Where is FDR to lock up every suspicious Muslim? Nowhere, well thats why we have a long War ahead of us.


[u]Do you understand what terrorism is, and why people become terrorists? Yes, oh, should I feel bad for them? [/u]

UBL was son of one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, Zarqawi and Zawahari both Dr.'s. I do know why these people become terrorists, because the islamic schools teach hate for Christians and Jews and the West. Convincing them if they kill us they will be rewarded by 72 virgins in heaven. Their governments starve them from food, choice, free thought. It really is sad , but that doesn't mean they shouldn't die, otherwise we die.

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This is WWIII like it or not, the enemy is emboldened every time he hears Kennedy and the rest of the Left call the President a liar.


So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so.

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They gane faith they can win when they see how we ran from Vietnam, ran from Somolia,


Faith doesn't win wars.

See UBL specifically said the Black Hawk Down retreat
gave hope, which gives recruiting strength. Gets them money to fund expensive attacks like 9/11. Yes, I know we will never lose to them, well, depends who you have in office I suppose. You think Barrack Hussein Obama or Pelosi or Kucinich would really protect us. So the point is, I don't care what they think just what the result of their thought is , hopefully not another huge attack.

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could not stomach a regime change in the Gulf War,


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George bush the senior didn't push regime change in iraq because he feared that we'd get into the situation we're in now.


You are right but we had more international support then so he should have. That is hind site thinking though, George W. did what Senior and Clinton wanted to do but didn't have to balls politically to do. I think W realizes this and will be a hero like FDR and Churchill When the history books are written.



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and now they see us put dead lines on this war. Hmm, I bet they know the dead line date and are ready to calm down resupply and regroup until we are gone.


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What are they doing to do when we're gone?


The Sunni's and Shia's are going to go at all out war and the Iranian and Syrian insurgents will infiltrate the country and try to do what Iran tried for ten years in the 80's to destroy Iraq and rebuild it as there own. You don't think Iran has forgotten about that long war.

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The insurgents in iraq are not the same as the terrorists who dedicate their lives to destroying america. Although i imagine many of them would like america destroyed, that's not their motivation in iraq.


Really, Al Qaeda leaders are dropping like flies over there. Zarqawi a Jordanian born Palestinian terrorist was the head of Al Qaeda in Iraq and got blessings from UBL. UBL has said how important the war in Iraq is, both sides know it, just not the liberals, but they dont know anything anyway.

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The Dems will take credit and and win the '08 election and soon after we will get hit and/or Iraqs streets will fill with blood in the most televised genocide ever and Pelosi will be to blame. Thats my word and I'm sticking to it.


Life isn't quite that simple.


Maybe not but the pull out date being two months before the '08 elections sure looks suspicious.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?


The fight found us on 9/11 and we were far from looking for it. There are millions of muslims who want a fight and if we dont go take it to them they will eventually bring it to us be it here or at our embassy's. We have seen it time and time again from them. I know you dont need a brief terror history lesson.


We are a civilized nation. As such, we hold ourselves to higher standards than they hold themselves to.

Attacking an entire population merely because they desire our demise is wrong. Attacking when you haven't been attacked is the wrong way to go about things.

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No totally rational thought. See if you use the pig fat or blood on the enemy , who so freely lay down their lives expecting virgins in heaven, they may stop or at least the suicides will.


Has anyone actually tried to determine the efficacy of this?

The gun grease one is especially tenuous. It only works if the attacker knows that the gun is greased.

And even then, i don't know that a fanatic would stop an attack, even given how much many of them hate pigs.

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Yes, oh, should I feel bad for them?


Well, you're comparing fighting terrorism to a real war. Particularly WWII. You should know better than that; the two are apples and oranges.

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UBL was son of one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, Zarqawi and Zawahari both Dr.'s. I do know why these people become terrorists, because the islamic schools teach hate for Christians and Jews and the West. Convincing them if they kill us they will be rewarded by 72 virgins in heaven. Their governments starve them from food, choice, free thought. It really is sad , but that doesn't mean they shouldn't die, otherwise we die.


No, it means that we only slaughter them all when they actually try to kill us.

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You think Barrack Hussein Obama or Pelosi or Kucinich would really protect us.


Do i think they would be competant as commanders in chief of the military? Yes. Can you give me a reason that i shouldn't?

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So the point is, I don't care what they think just what the result of their thought is , hopefully not another huge attack.


So...why restrain discourse that "emboldens" them, then?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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exton wrote:

Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?


The fight found us on 9/11 and we were far from looking for it. There are millions of muslims who want a fight and if we dont go take it to them they will eventually bring it to us be it here or at our embassy's. We have seen it time and time again from them. I know you dont need a brief terror history lesson.


We are a civilized nation. As such, we hold ourselves to higher standards than they hold themselves to.

Attacking an entire population merely because they desire our demise is wrong. Attacking when you haven't been attacked is the wrong way to go about things.
They dont just desire our demise they are planning it and openly talking about it, we must take there threats serious.

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No totally rational thought. See if you use the pig fat or blood on the enemy , who so freely lay down their lives expecting virgins in heaven, they may stop or at least the suicides will.


Has anyone actually tried to determine the efficacy of this?

The gun grease one is especially tenuous. It only works if the attacker knows that the gun is greased.

And even then, i don't know that a fanatic would stop an attack, even given how much many of them hate pigs.

YOu are right, it would only work if they know, you would be surprised I think at how effective it would be.

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Yes, oh, should I feel bad for them?


Well, you're comparing fighting terrorism to a real war. Particularly WWII. You should know better than that; the two are apples and oranges.

If you don't think this is a real war we should stop this exchange now, because this is the worst war we have ever seen, I spans the Mid- East, Far-East, Arfica and has even found its way onto our homeland. The Nazi's will look like boy scouts when this is all said and done.

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UBL was son of one of the richest men in Saudi Arabia, Zarqawi and Zawahari both Dr.'s. I do know why these people become terrorists, because the islamic schools teach hate for Christians and Jews and the West. Convincing them if they kill us they will be rewarded by 72 virgins in heaven. Their governments starve them from food, choice, free thought. It really is sad , but that doesn't mean they shouldn't die, otherwise we die.


No, it means that we only slaughter them all when they actually try to kill us.

Oh so we let them try, hope it doesn't work and then attack back, sounds like the worst strategy ever and that answers the the next question because thats what they would do. I don't even know if Kucinich would retaliate. Obama might be the Manchurian candidate and Pelosi, really you think she would ever order an attack on anyone other than Bush. None of them has any military experience at all.

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You think Barrack Hussein Obama or Pelosi or Kucinich would really protect us.


Do i think they would be competant as commanders in chief of the military? Yes. Can you give me a reason that i shouldn't?

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So the point is, I don't care what they think just what the result of their thought is , hopefully not another huge attack.


So...why restrain discourse that "emboldens" them, then?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:11 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Nice try....not buyin it. Commercial aircraft do not have military transponders.


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What's this talk of military transponders?


Transponder: A beacon that signifies it as being commercial or military. Anything other than military is to be treated as a hostile. I don't see there being a whole lot of accidental flights over the Pentagon. Why would they have missile batteries, anyway, and not use them. Isn't it the first directive of the federal gov't to protect and defend the borders of the US?

Ask yourself this: If you were pres. on 9/11 and you knew for certain that we were attacked by a foreign source, what would be the first thing that you would do? I personally would seal the borders up tighter than a frogs ass. There was no border beefing-up because there was no external threat. And I don't think that I would let the whole Bin Laden family just fly out of the country unimpeded, without answering a few questions.

That is not just some conspiracy theory crap. That is a matter of public record in regard to the Bin Ladens' exodus from the country. One of those things the Warren Commi, I mean the 9/11 Commission failed to address.



Xerxes you act as if there is a big invisible gate that after 9/11 could be closed and no one would be able to get in. In Fact Republicans have been calling on not a gate, but a fence with real security patrolling it. I do think the President dropped the ball here and will not defend his inaction to begin a fence when he had the full support of Congress after 9/11.

In regards to Bin Laden's family. Here is a site to debunk your conspiracy theory using the very source you use to make your claim, the 9/11 Commission Report, which I own and you probably have never looked at.(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) So next time you try to defend your anti-American conspiracy garbage with a source, try actually reading the source. You people disgust me. By the the way, your name tells alot about you. And if the 9/11 Report is not good enough here is a CBSNEWS article that says they were not flown out until the flight ban was lifted. Do you really think the FBI did not question them? You know I did a google search and found these two articles in 5 seconds. Try taking some time to educate yourself and stop relying on MOVEON and the Soros left wing liberal anti-American anti-West ideologs to do your thinking for you.

"Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml)


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Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.


GOOD how many Americans were terrified after the events of that day. At least someone else besides our citizens were the ones who were terrified.

I understand your anger, I felt the same way the first time that someone suggested to me that 9/11 might have been an inside job. It was unthinkable that it could even be possible! So I started investigating because I wanted to prove that forked-tounge devil motherfucker wrong.

Regardless of what name I use on libs v cons, Xerxes....(If it is good enough for Kissinger to use as his code name during his moonlight negotiations w/N. Vietnam), then it should be ok for me too. Also, it has nothing to do with my great love for Iran. It just kinda has a nice ring to it, it just kinda rolls off the toungue. I also have a great love for our constitution and wish to see it preserved. It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism

Now, in regards to the 9/11 pdf that I downloaded @ ,all 2.3 GB of it. I could not find the section that dealt with any Bin Laden Family Interrogations that was done. But, if I'm not mistaken, Clarke testified to the contrary.

But, to the meat of the issue "Was 9/11 an inside job or not". You think no, I say yes. We will agree to disagree. Remember men have fought and died so you and I could even have this conversation.

There is overwhelming evidence out there that it was, in fact, very fishy, at the very best description of it. "Inside job at the worst". That is a very bitter pill to swallow. Too many contradictions, obfuscation, and just outright lies. Just the physics of the builings falling in freefall not in a pancake fashion as if it were a controlled explosion. To building 7 and the drop in the airplane stock prior. To also take into consideration all of the warnings former FBI agent John O'Neil's (My hero) about Binnyboy's plotting to attack America that went completely ignored by both the Bush AND Clinton Administrations...

I don't conclusively know what happened that day, any more than you do or anyone else who happens to read this. So, just accept the fact that there is a percentage of people in this country who don't believe the official version of the day's events. Maybe someone out there could provide that exact poll percentage for us. Anyway, to believe the 9/11 report is to also believe the final findings of the Warren Commission. And there's even MORE people that don't buy that one.

Anyway, I bear you no ill will or anything. I don't hate you because you have your opinion. Please give me the "Reacharound", and don't hate me for mine, besides, who cares....even if it was an inside job.....what could we do about it?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The Taliban( a brutal, sexist regime) is gone.


You could also apply that term to that right-wing rag The Washington Times, owner the good Reverend Moon, you know, "The Messiah" as he claims to be....and the motherfucker ain't jokin'.

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Yet all you Liberals do is make up conspiracy theories and say how dumb W is.


A conspiracy, by definition takes more than one person. So, it is not a conspiracy. W. is dumb all by himself.

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Get a life two more years and then Hillary or Obama will truly begin the downfall of America.


Vote Ron Paul!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes, I was being sarcastic, the Goverment had NOTHING to do with any attacks on 9/11, to believe such a thing is just as stupid as to believe it was little green men from outer space.

Wake up people..

Elvis is dead, J.F.K. wasn't killed by the CIA, and believe it or not the sun never rises, nor does it ever set.

The earth turns, the sun never moves.

So forget all the B/S and get a grip.. It was a plane that hit the Pentagon, and if you wonder why there is no tail section found, go find some photos someday of plane crashes that have hit the ground dead on, you will find nothing in those photos either except a big empty hole in the ground.

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to check it out for yourself, I know what I'm talking about, when I was in the Air Force I went out to one of those plane crashes, in less than an hour after the crash outside of Amarillo Tx. we found no plane, just a big empty hole in the dirt, you would have though it was missle hit or something, but we knew very well what hit there, and we even knew his name.


All they're asking is for people to explain some inconsistencies in the story, I can respect that.
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actually the sun does move it just isn't substantial enough to make and effect on us just look at physics.
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The sun is a mass of incandescant gas.
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The sun is a mass of incandescant gas.


So is Rush Limbaugh.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Xerxes wrote:
exton wrote:
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Nice try....not buyin it. Commercial aircraft do not have military transponders.


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What's this talk of military transponders?


Transponder: A beacon that signifies it as being commercial or military. Anything other than military is to be treated as a hostile. I don't see there being a whole lot of accidental flights over the Pentagon. Why would they have missile batteries, anyway, and not use them. Isn't it the first directive of the federal gov't to protect and defend the borders of the US?

Ask yourself this: If you were pres. on 9/11 and you knew for certain that we were attacked by a foreign source, what would be the first thing that you would do? I personally would seal the borders up tighter than a frogs ass. There was no border beefing-up because there was no external threat. And I don't think that I would let the whole Bin Laden family just fly out of the country unimpeded, without answering a few questions.

That is not just some conspiracy theory crap. That is a matter of public record in regard to the Bin Ladens' exodus from the country. One of those things the Warren Commi, I mean the 9/11 Commission failed to address.



Xerxes you act as if there is a big invisible gate that after 9/11 could be closed and no one would be able to get in. In Fact Republicans have been calling on not a gate, but a fence with real security patrolling it. I do think the President dropped the ball here and will not defend his inaction to begin a fence when he had the full support of Congress after 9/11.

In regards to Bin Laden's family. Here is a site to debunk your conspiracy theory using the very source you use to make your claim, the 9/11 Commission Report, which I own and you probably have never looked at.(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) So next time you try to defend your anti-American conspiracy garbage with a source, try actually reading the source. You people disgust me. By the the way, your name tells alot about you. And if the 9/11 Report is not good enough here is a CBSNEWS article that says they were not flown out until the flight ban was lifted. Do you really think the FBI did not question them? You know I did a google search and found these two articles in 5 seconds. Try taking some time to educate yourself and stop relying on MOVEON and the Soros left wing liberal anti-American anti-West ideologs to do your thinking for you.

"Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml)


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Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.


GOOD how many Americans were terrified after the events of that day. At least someone else besides our citizens were the ones who were terrified.

I understand your anger, I felt the same way the first time that someone suggested to me that 9/11 might have been an inside job. It was unthinkable that it could even be possible! So I started investigating because I wanted to prove that forked-tounge devil motherfucker wrong.

Regardless of what name I use on libs v cons, Xerxes....(If it is good enough for Kissinger to use as his code name during his moonlight negotiations w/N. Vietnam), then it should be ok for me too. Also, it has nothing to do with my great love for Iran. It just kinda has a nice ring to it, it just kinda rolls off the toungue. I also have a great love for our constitution and wish to see it preserved. It is an oath that I took in 1986 when I joined the Army and I don't believe that it expired in 94 when I got out. That's your 1st general order: "Never quit your post until properly relieved" So, I implore you, never question my patriotism

Now, in regards to the 9/11 pdf that I downloaded @ ,all 2.3 GB of it. I could not find the section that dealt with any Bin Laden Family Interrogations that was done. But, if I'm not mistaken, Clarke testified to the contrary.

Hard to believe they were in FBI custody for three days before they were flown out and never questioned.

But, to the meat of the issue "Was 9/11 an inside job or not". You think no, I say yes. We will agree to disagree. Remember men have fought and died so you and I could even have this conversation.
I dont think men fought and died to protect lies that undermine our country at a time of war.

There is overwhelming evidence out there that it was, in fact, very fishy, at the very best description of it. "Inside job at the worst". That is a very bitter pill to swallow. Too many contradictions, obfuscation, and just outright lies. Just the physics of the builings falling in freefall not in a pancake fashion as if it were a controlled explosion. To building 7 and the drop in the airplane stock prior.
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To also take into consideration all of the warnings former FBI agent John O'Neil's (My hero) about Binnyboy's plotting to attack America that went completely ignored by both the Bush AND Clinton Administrations...


If O'Neil is your hero, how do you think it was an inside job, that is opposite of everything he was saying. the building did pancake because the floors that melted gave way. You should read this article, http://www.popularmechanics.co.....27842.html
And I dont think I questioned your patriotism, thank you for your service, it is a shame you are willing to blame America first, even though these same islamofascists have been at us for the last 25yrs.


I don't conclusively know what happened that day, any more than you do or anyone else who happens to read this. So, just accept the fact that there is a percentage of people in this country who don't believe the official version of the day's events. Maybe someone out there could provide that exact poll percentage for us. Anyway, to believe the 9/11 report is to also believe the final findings of the Warren Commission. And there's even MORE people that don't buy that one.

Anyway, I bear you no ill will or anything. I don't hate you because you have your opinion. Please give me the "Reacharound", and don't hate me for mine, besides, who cares....even if it was an inside job.....what could we do about it?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If O'Neil is your hero, how do you think it was an inside job, that is opposite of everything he was saying.


John O'Neill was a great American patriot and his Bin Laden unit was completely gutted. Every time he got close to Bin Laden, he got called off. He quit in disgust! It is ironic that he took a job as the head of security at the towers themselves and was in fact killed that day.

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The building did pancake because the floors that melted gave way. You should read this article, http://www.popularmechanics.co.....27842.html



There was no reports of the sonic claps that would have accompanied the pancake theory. I read the Popular Mechanics article when it first came out. The articles' authors were scheduled for a debate by the makers of the"Loose Change" video Avery, Rowe and Bermas. I do not think they (Popular Mechanics) won the debate.


Here are some kick ass links in regards to many things related to this topic, also how Popular Mechanics backed out of the debate:


If you want to check out the whole vid, go here to see it:



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And I dont think I questioned your patriotism, thank you for your service, it is a shame you are willing to blame America first, even though these same islamofascists have been at us for the last 25yrs.



I do not equate "America" to our elected leaders. Two separate entities. I did not blame America first, I blamed it third or maybe fourth. And substitute "America" with "A small group of very rich, dangerous and bitter white men from both sides of the aisle (because the whole Left/Right thing is a sham) who are remnants of the Nixon administration and wish to lead America into tyranny and oppression in conjunction with perpetual war"....and you got yourself a winner.

Note: George Soros was the owner of the company that removed all the debris from the Trade center, it was removed rather quickly and with great haste. It went to scrap and was never fully analyzed.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Does a wide variety of options include sanctions? We tried that for 12 years.


I was talking about terrorism, not iraq. I don't think iraq posed a problem that merited war at all.

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"It doesn't make sense to lash out at muslims as a whole." Tell me who is lashing out as Muslims as a whole?


The guy to whom i was responding? Here's (most of) the relevent text from his post:



I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell. Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns.

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"So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?" Wow. Use some intelligence. Lets think about this. Why would someone care if their enemy is emboldened? HMMMM that's a tough one. Get real.


So? What's your reason for caring about the emboldening of your enemies?


HMMMMM, why would you want to help the enemy in a fight? HMMMMMM that's a tough one! Here's a suggestion, go up to someone and punch them, then hand them a baseball bat.
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