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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i hope your not just pulling my leg or anything because I'm still on a search for those articles
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Okay you liberals know most of the truth, so I may as well go ahead and tell you the whole truth as to exactly what did happen on 9/11/01.

President Bush is from another planet a few thousand light years away from earth, the planet he is from has been planning an attack on earth for over ten million years, and after Bush stole the election from Gore in 2000, he sent a message to his home planet to go ahead and attack, so that is what really happened on 9/11 it was space ships from outer space that G.W.B. called down from another planet.

Next year their going to take over the whole world, and eat your first born child, of course only at the order of George W. Bush.

You know, he is behind everything.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, I was being sarcastic, the Goverment had NOTHING to do with any attacks on 9/11, to believe such a thing is just as stupid as to believe it was little green men from outer space.

Wake up people..

Elvis is dead, J.F.K. wasn't killed by the CIA, and believe it or not the sun never rises, nor does it ever set.

The earth turns, the sun never moves.

So forget all the B/S and get a grip.. It was a plane that hit the Pentagon, and if you wonder why there is no tail section found, go find some photos someday of plane crashes that have hit the ground dead on, you will find nothing in those photos either except a big empty hole in the ground.

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to check it out for yourself, I know what I'm talking about, when I was in the Air Force I went out to one of those plane crashes, in less than an hour after the crash outside of Amarillo Tx. we found no plane, just a big empty hole in the dirt, you would have though it was missle hit or something, but we knew very well what hit there, and we even knew his name.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Attention Liberals: Be sure not to stray too far in the ocean, you may fall off the edge.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
the thing that i love so much is that there are actually still people in our country who like george bush and think that what he has done is good for our country. peoples' stupidity is the best comedy available.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
[quote="Xerxes"]
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Nice try....not buyin it. Commercial aircraft do not have military transponders.


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What's this talk of military transponders?


Transponder: A beacon that signifies it as being commercial or military. Anything other than military is to be treated as a hostile. I don't see there being a whole lot of accidental flights over the Pentagon. Why would they have missile batteries, anyway, and not use them. Isn't it the first directive of the federal gov't to protect and defend the borders of the US?

Ask yourself this: If you were pres. on 9/11 and you knew for certain that we were attacked by a foreign source, what would be the first thing that you would do? I personally would seal the borders up tighter than a frogs ass. There was no border beefing-up because there was no external threat. And I don't think that I would let the whole Bin Laden family just fly out of the country unimpeded, without answering a few questions.

That is not just some conspiracy theory crap. That is a matter of public record in regard to the Bin Ladens' exodus from the country. One of those things the Warren Commi, I mean the 9/11 Commission failed to address.



Xerxes you act as if there is a big invisible gate that after 9/11 could be closed and no one would be able to get in. In Fact Republicans have been calling on not a gate, but a fence with real security patrolling it. I do think the President dropped the ball here and will not defend his inaction to begin a fence when he had the full support of Congress after 9/11.

In regards to Bin Laden's family. Here is a site to debunk your conspiracy theory using the very source you use to make your claim, the 9/11 Commission Report, which I own and you probably have never looked at.(http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) So next time you try to defend your anti-American conspiracy garbage with a source, try actually reading the source. You people disgust me. By the the way, your name tells alot about you. And if the 9/11 Report is not good enough here is a CBSNEWS article that says they were not flown out until the flight ban was lifted. Do you really think the FBI did not question them? You know I did a google search and found these two articles in 5 seconds. Try taking some time to educate yourself and stop relying on MOVEON and the Soros left wing liberal anti-American anti-West ideologs to do your thinking for you.

"Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday.

Many were terrified, fearing they would be lynched after hearing reports of violence against Muslims and Arab-Americans.

They left the country on a private charter plane when airports reopened three days after the attacks."(http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/30/archive/main313048.shtml)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:06 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
exton wrote:
SteelCityConservative wrote:

OK, but, I am going to keep using the word because I think most people understand the point I am making with it


You intend to intentionally use an inaccurate and emotionally charged word to get your point across?


Sorry but I still see countries that use nationalism and Islam as there propaganda tool for hate, as Islamofascists. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Lybya. They all have dictators and are all have official religions(Islam) and are all nationalistic. And if it emotionally offends someone to bad. I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell. Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns. It is time to cut the PC crap and call a spade a spade. You want to coddle them fine but when the snake bites AGAIN, it may be you who gets bit. I hope I arouse emotion here, because my emotion is already aroused, has been since 9/11 and gets worse every time I here some crack pot like XERXES tell me our government was behind 9/11 or Kerry insulting our troops or Iran taking hostages and that twat in Britain doing nothing about it. Where is Churchill to bomb them back to the stone age? Where is FDR to lock up every suspicious Muslim? Nowhere, well thats why we have a long War ahead of us. This is WWIII like it or not, the enemy is emboldened every time he hears Kennedy and the rest of the Left call the President a liar. They gane faith they can win when they see how we ran from Vietnam, ran from Somolia, could not stomach a regime change in the Gulf War, and now they see us put dead lines on this war. Hmm, I bet they know the dead line date and are ready to calm down resupply and regroup until we are gone. The Dems will take credit and and win the '08 election and soon after we will get hit and/or Iraqs streets will fill with blood in the most televised genocide ever and Pelosi will be to blame. Thats my word and I'm sticking to it. Exton that was not all to you I just went off and just realized it but I am do not take bac a single word I said.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
topdog414 wrote:
i hope your not just pulling my leg or anything because I'm still on a search for those articles


Here it is I think (http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/millenium-plot.htm)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
the thing that i love so much is that there are actually still people in our country who like george bush and think that what he has done is good for our country. peoples' stupidity is the best comedy available.


Wow. Stop the presses. Get this guy a job at the New York Times or on MoveOn.org.
Try explaining yourself, because believe it or not the economy is booming, the unemployment rate is at about 4.5( thats good by the way, the markets set records in the last few months, George Bush and Ted Kennedy's " No Child Left Behind" is helping give more $ to schools than ever before. The Taliban( a brutal, sexist regime) is gone, Saddam( according to the UN the most brutal dictator since Hitler) is dead. Iraq has a constitution the first of its kind in the mid-east, with women in the government, the majority of Iraq is secure. He tried to fix Social Security for me and my kids but the left was hell bent on letting him get credit for that( to bad it will be to late to fix when they take office and this country will be as poor and in debt as Somalia. Yet all you Liberals do is make up conspiracy theories and say how dumb W is and yet it is your comment that sounds as thought out and backed up as a 1st grader. Get a life two more years and then Hillary or Obama will truly begin the downfall of America.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nice. Bush has been an excellent President. Defeatocrats are still mad about the 2000 election and Bill not keeping his weiner sleeved. Unfortunately in our society, there are more votes for American Idol contestants that out Presidential election. As long as the liberals influence our schools and media, they'll continue brainwashing towards a socialist society until the people take up arms and remove the handcuffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
beaz wrote:
Nice. Bush has been an excellent President. Defeatocrats are still mad about the 2000 election and Bill not keeping his weiner sleeved. Unfortunately in our society, there are more votes for American Idol contestants that out Presidential election. As long as the liberals influence our schools and media, they'll continue brainwashing towards a socialist society until the people take up arms and remove the handcuffs.


Sadly, there are not enough true patriots willing to do such a thing my friend.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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Sorry but I still see countries that use nationalism and Islam as there propaganda tool for hate, as Islamofascists. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Lybya. They all have dictators and are all have official religions(Islam) and are all nationalistic. And if it emotionally offends someone to bad.


No no, that's not the problem at all.

The problem is the use of deception in trying to get someone to believe something. Using an appeal to emotion (by using the word "fascist" to link islam to negative emotions) is bad form.

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I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell.


Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?

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Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns. It is time to cut the PC crap and call a spade a spade. You want to coddle them fine but when the snake bites AGAIN, it may be you who gets bit. I hope I arouse emotion here, because my emotion is already aroused,


That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.

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Where is Churchill to bomb them back to the stone age? Where is FDR to lock up every suspicious Muslim? Nowhere, well thats why we have a long War ahead of us.


Do you understand what terrorism is, and why people become terrorists?

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This is WWIII like it or not, the enemy is emboldened every time he hears Kennedy and the rest of the Left call the President a liar.


So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so.

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They gane faith they can win when they see how we ran from Vietnam, ran from Somolia,


Faith doesn't win wars.

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could not stomach a regime change in the Gulf War,


George bush the senior didn't push regime change in iraq because he feared that we'd get into the situation we're in now.

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and now they see us put dead lines on this war. Hmm, I bet they know the dead line date and are ready to calm down resupply and regroup until we are gone.


What are they doing to do when we're gone?

The insurgents in iraq are not the same as the terrorists who dedicate their lives to destroying america. Although i imagine many of them would like america destroyed, that's not their motivation in iraq.

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The Dems will take credit and and win the '08 election and soon after we will get hit and/or Iraqs streets will fill with blood in the most televised genocide ever and Pelosi will be to blame. Thats my word and I'm sticking to it.


Life isn't quite that simple.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
exton wrote:
SteelCityConservative wrote:

Sorry but I still see countries that use nationalism and Islam as there propaganda tool for hate, as Islamofascists. Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Lybya. They all have dictators and are all have official religions(Islam) and are all nationalistic. And if it emotionally offends someone to bad.


No no, that's not the problem at all.

The problem is the use of deception in trying to get someone to believe something. Using an appeal to emotion (by using the word "fascist" to link islam to negative emotions) is bad form.

Quote:

I was emotionally hurt as was ost of this country when 19 Islamic men killed 3000 or so of our own innocent citizens. It is time to fight fire with fire, they want a jihad I say give it to them and spill the blood of pigs over every dead terrorist body until they see that they will not get their virgins in heaven but rather be unclean in the eyes of Allah and be doomed to hell.


Do you really go looking for a fight everyone time someone wants one?

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Our soldiers are not stupid they see this to, they have begun using pork grease to oil guns. It is time to cut the PC crap and call a spade a spade. You want to coddle them fine but when the snake bites AGAIN, it may be you who gets bit. I hope I arouse emotion here, because my emotion is already aroused,


That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.

Quote:

Where is Churchill to bomb them back to the stone age? Where is FDR to lock up every suspicious Muslim? Nowhere, well thats why we have a long War ahead of us.


Do you understand what terrorism is, and why people become terrorists?

Quote:

This is WWIII like it or not, the enemy is emboldened every time he hears Kennedy and the rest of the Left call the President a liar.


So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so.

Quote:

They gane faith they can win when they see how we ran from Vietnam, ran from Somolia,


Faith doesn't win wars.

Quote:

could not stomach a regime change in the Gulf War,


George bush the senior didn't push regime change in iraq because he feared that we'd get into the situation we're in now.

Quote:

and now they see us put dead lines on this war. Hmm, I bet they know the dead line date and are ready to calm down resupply and regroup until we are gone.


What are they doing to do when we're gone?

The insurgents in iraq are not the same as the terrorists who dedicate their lives to destroying america. Although i imagine many of them would like america destroyed, that's not their motivation in iraq.

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The Dems will take credit and and win the '08 election and soon after we will get hit and/or Iraqs streets will fill with blood in the most televised genocide ever and Pelosi will be to blame. Thats my word and I'm sticking to it.


Life isn't quite that simple.



"That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.
I guess its better to regroup and ask, what did WE do to cause this behavior? Look, they crossed a line, to do nothing is the epitome of the exclusion of rational thought.

"So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so."

They can harm our troops and they can disrupt our efforts, but it doesn't suprise me that you don't care, you need not bring attention to the obvious.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
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"That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.
I guess its better to regroup and ask, what did WE do to cause this behavior? Look, they crossed a line, to do nothing is the epitome of the exclusion of rational thought.


No one suggests we do nothing. There's a very wide range of options in between "nothing" and "total war".

And what we do do needs to be decided intelligently. It doesn't make sense to lash out at muslims as a whole.

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"So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so."

They can harm our troops and they can disrupt our efforts, but it doesn't suprise me that you don't care, you need not bring attention to the obvious.


So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:51 am    Post subject: Re: pentagon NOT hit by plane. Reply with quote
exton wrote:
beaz wrote:

"That's the problem. You're letting your emotions drive your behavior, to the exclusion of rational thought.
I guess its better to regroup and ask, what did WE do to cause this behavior? Look, they crossed a line, to do nothing is the epitome of the exclusion of rational thought.


No one suggests we do nothing. There's a very wide range of options in between "nothing" and "total war".

And what we do do needs to be decided intelligently.

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"So? Why do you care if the enemy is "emboldened"? They can be emboldened all they want as far as i'm concerned. I don't really care what terrorists feel; they can't destroy america, and if they try, they'll get themselves killed (intentionally or otherwise) trying to do so."

They can harm our troops and they can disrupt our efforts, but it doesn't suprise me that you don't care, you need not bring attention to the obvious.


So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?


Does a wide variety of options include sanctions? We tried that for 12 years.

"It doesn't make sense to lash out at muslims as a whole." Tell me who is lashing out as Muslims as a whole?

"So...why do you care about the emboldening of our enemies?" Wow. Use some intelligence. Lets think about this. Why would someone care if their enemy is emboldened? HMMMM that's a tough one. Get real.
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