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Joshua1978
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
JoeysAngyl wrote:
Simply put no... one had a special "intern" and the other has ruined our country.

Keep in mind many many presidents had other women... it's just that Clinton got caught.



Hmmmm....ruined the country huh? I don't know about that one. I think pushing America toward a marxist system would do more damage to the whole prinicpal of Democracy than say a war on terrorism.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joshua1978 wrote:
JoeysAngyl wrote:
Simply put no... one had a special "intern" and the other has ruined our country.

Keep in mind many many presidents had other women... it's just that Clinton got caught.



Hmmmm....ruined the country huh? I don't know about that one. I think pushing America toward a marxist system would do more damage to the whole prinicpal of Democracy than say a war on terrorism.
I agree. Now show evidence that's happening. And make sure you differenciate between Marxism and Social Democracy.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joshua1978 wrote:
JoeysAngyl wrote:
Simply put no... one had a special "intern" and the other has ruined our country.

Keep in mind many many presidents had other women... it's just that Clinton got caught.



Hmmmm....ruined the country huh? I don't know about that one. I think pushing America toward a marxist system would do more damage to the whole prinicpal of Democracy than say a war on terrorism.


the "war on terror" is not only bankrupting our country, but it has given motivation to everyone who is 5 years of age and up to hate america and seek to harm america.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


For one: Joseph Wilson
Look him up
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Cantskate wrote:

And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


For one: Joseph Wilson
Look him up


Joseph Wilson was never threatened by the Bush Administration. In fact he and his wife CIA "Agent" Valerie Plame are two of the most ridiculous figures of the past two years.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Joshua1978 wrote:
JoeysAngyl wrote:
Simply put no... one had a special "intern" and the other has ruined our country.

Keep in mind many many presidents had other women... it's just that Clinton got caught.



Hmmmm....ruined the country huh? I don't know about that one. I think pushing America toward a marxist system would do more damage to the whole prinicpal of Democracy than say a war on terrorism.
I agree. Now show evidence that's happening. And make sure you differenciate between Marxism and Social Democracy.


Marxism is anti-democracy. I'm for a moderate system based on free market capitalism and social liberalism.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cowboy89 wrote:
Rochester wrote:
Cantskate wrote:

And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


For one: Joseph Wilson
Look him up


Joseph Wilson was never threatened by the Bush Administration. In fact he and his wife CIA "Agent" Valerie Plame are two of the most ridiculous figures of the past two years.


are you serious? After the state of the union address where Bush claimed to have evidence Saddam had purchased enriched uranium that Joseph Wilson knew was false and he indeed informed the president before hand of this having been an ambassador to African nations for over 20 years and an Ambassador to Iraq. After President Bush disregarded this Joseph Wilson went public and some how his wife's identity was somehow leaked?

Not a threat maybe but definitly message and no matter how you slice it, the situation stank to high heaven of Bullying and intimidation from the White House to anyone who would contradict them.

And calling former Ambassadors and CIA agents rediculous is quite disrespectful to their service. Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joe Wilson himself was not honest, and lied about what actually happened. Now I don't know much about the following source, but when I have time later I'll post more. Joe Wilson himself may have been behind the leaking of his wife's identity.

Ridiculous indeed.

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/3879_0_2_0_C/

One of the fascinating questions about the Valerie Plame affair is why Joseph Wilson lied about his wife's role in sending him on that mission to investigate the Iraq-uranium link. In his own book, ironically titled, The Politics of Truth, Wilson admits that if she played such a role, that might be a violation of federal nepotism laws. Of course, the special prosecutor is not investigating that. But Herbert Romerstein, a former professional staff member of the House Intelligence Committee, says there is another reason. And that is that her involvement in sending her husband on a CIA mission to Africa meant that when Wilson went public about it, foreign intelligence services would investigate all of his family members for possible CIA connections. Those intelligence services would not simply assume that he went on the mission because he was a former diplomat. They would investigate his wife. And that would inevitably lead to unraveling the facts about Valerie Wilson, or Valerie Plame, and her involvement with the CIA.

As Romerstein put it in an article for Human Events, when answering the question about who really exposed Wilson's wife, "The culprit was Joe Wilson…with some help from his wife."

He wrote, "When Wilson wrote an op-ed in The New York Times in July [2003] and revealed that he had gone to Niger on a CIA assignment, he called attention to his wife. CIA people who are really undercover are very careful about not identifying themselves or their families with the agency. They wait until their children are old enough to keep their mouths shut before revealing, even to them, that they are CIA officers. Wilson listed his wife's maiden name in the biography he put on the web site of the Middle East Institute."
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Giancarlo wrote:
Joe Wilson himself was not honest, and lied about what actually happened. Now I don't know much about the following source, but when I have time later I'll post more. Joe Wilson himself may have been behind the leaking of his wife's identity.

Ridiculous indeed.

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/3879_0_2_0_C/

One of the fascinating questions about the Valerie Plame affair is why Joseph Wilson lied about his wife's role in sending him on that mission to investigate the Iraq-uranium link. In his own book, ironically titled, The Politics of Truth, Wilson admits that if she played such a role, that might be a violation of federal nepotism laws. Of course, the special prosecutor is not investigating that. But Herbert Romerstein, a former professional staff member of the House Intelligence Committee, says there is another reason. And that is that her involvement in sending her husband on a CIA mission to Africa meant that when Wilson went public about it, foreign intelligence services would investigate all of his family members for possible CIA connections. Those intelligence services would not simply assume that he went on the mission because he was a former diplomat. They would investigate his wife. And that would inevitably lead to unraveling the facts about Valerie Wilson, or Valerie Plame, and her involvement with the CIA.

As Romerstein put it in an article for Human Events, when answering the question about who really exposed Wilson's wife, "The culprit was Joe Wilson…with some help from his wife."

He wrote, "When Wilson wrote an op-ed in The New York Times in July [2003] and revealed that he had gone to Niger on a CIA assignment, he called attention to his wife. CIA people who are really undercover are very careful about not identifying themselves or their families with the agency. They wait until their children are old enough to keep their mouths shut before revealing, even to them, that they are CIA officers. Wilson listed his wife's maiden name in the biography he put on the web site of the Middle East Institute."


That source is as biased as they get. Plus, it is just political opinion trying to place the blame on Joe Wilson.

What it is basically saying in a nutshell is. "IT IS JOE WILSON'S FAULT HIS WIFE HAD HER NAME OUTED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOT IN THE WAY OF THE BUSH WAR MACHINE, THEN MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."

The title of the article is misleading too. He didn't lie.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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That source is as biased as they get. Plus, it is just political opinion trying to place the blame on Joe Wilson.

What it is basically saying in a nutshell is. "IT IS JOE WILSON'S FAULT HIS WIFE HAD HER NAME OUTED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOT IN THE WAY OF THE BUSH WAR MACHINE, THEN MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."

The title of the article is misleading too. He didn't lie.


What a pile of crap. So what makes you think I should believe any of the political opinion you post? His own words are misleading. Why do you follow this man like a god? You're about as brain dead as Bush when it comes to this.

Oh so everything I post is biased crap... and everything you post is good and honest. Please. Give me a break.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Giancarlo wrote:
JesusLopezViejo wrote:


That source is as biased as they get. Plus, it is just political opinion trying to place the blame on Joe Wilson.

What it is basically saying in a nutshell is. "IT IS JOE WILSON'S FAULT HIS WIFE HAD HER NAME OUTED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOT IN THE WAY OF THE BUSH WAR MACHINE, THEN MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."

The title of the article is misleading too. He didn't lie.


What a pile of crap. So what makes you think I should believe any of the political opinion you post? His own words are misleading. Why do you follow this man like a god? You're about as brain dead as Bush when it comes to this.

Oh so everything I post is biased crap... and everything you post is good and honest. Please. Give me a break.


Well...You can say that or I can call bullshit on that article simply because Richard Armitage actually admitted to outing her name.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
JesusLopezViejo wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
JesusLopezViejo wrote:


That source is as biased as they get. Plus, it is just political opinion trying to place the blame on Joe Wilson.

What it is basically saying in a nutshell is. "IT IS JOE WILSON'S FAULT HIS WIFE HAD HER NAME OUTED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOT IN THE WAY OF THE BUSH WAR MACHINE, THEN MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."

The title of the article is misleading too. He didn't lie.


What a pile of crap. So what makes you think I should believe any of the political opinion you post? His own words are misleading. Why do you follow this man like a god? You're about as brain dead as Bush when it comes to this.

Oh so everything I post is biased crap... and everything you post is good and honest. Please. Give me a break.


Well...You can say that or I can call bullshit on that article simply because Richard Armitage actually admitted to outing her name.


He wasn't the first one. And you can say whatever the heck you want. You're the one who is spewing the bullshit here and I've called you up on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Giancarlo wrote:
JesusLopezViejo wrote:
Giancarlo wrote:
JesusLopezViejo wrote:


That source is as biased as they get. Plus, it is just political opinion trying to place the blame on Joe Wilson.

What it is basically saying in a nutshell is. "IT IS JOE WILSON'S FAULT HIS WIFE HAD HER NAME OUTED, HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER GOT IN THE WAY OF THE BUSH WAR MACHINE, THEN MAYBE IT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED."

The title of the article is misleading too. He didn't lie.


What a pile of crap. So what makes you think I should believe any of the political opinion you post? His own words are misleading. Why do you follow this man like a god? You're about as brain dead as Bush when it comes to this.

Oh so everything I post is biased crap... and everything you post is good and honest. Please. Give me a break.


Well...You can say that or I can call bullshit on that article simply because Richard Armitage actually admitted to outing her name.


He wasn't the first one. And you can say whatever the heck you want. You're the one who is spewing the bullshit here and I've called you up on it.


Who wasn't the first one?

"And you can say whatever the heck you want."

I know...So can you...

"You're the one who is spewing the bullshit here and I've called you up on it."

We all have different views. Learn to accept.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
JesusLopezViejo wrote:

We all have different views. Learn to accept.


Why don't you and stop being such a hypocrite? Follow your own advice, please.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Giancarlo wrote:
JesusLopezViejo wrote:

We all have different views. Learn to accept.


Why don't you and stop being such a hypocrite? Follow your own advice, please.


I'm still trying to figure out where we went wrong...

Was it that Saddam argument we just had in that other thread that got you going?
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