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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Take a damn biology course nitwit. Global Warming isn't that big of a deal they make it out to be. Yah its not good but nature corrects itself.


Nature isn't inherently a good thing.

Life will survive and flourish, sure. The environment will go on. But that's not what we as humans should be concerned about; what we should be concerned about is, will this environment/ecosystem be good for US?

And the answer is "not really". Will WE survive? Sure. It'll take a lot to kill off humanity. We can survive any number of really, really scary things.

But global warming isn't going to be fun.

Better to avoid a really bad time than to just dismiss it as "oh, we'll live. whatever."

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They said that this global warming would create more powerful violent storms. The people who first spoke out are shut up now as you say. Because their prediction wasn't accurate. Embarresment.


Except it was. The average power of a hurricane has been going up for 30 years.

There are certainly a lot of variables, but the one that really matters has also been rising for that period of time: ocean surface temperature. The more energy there is in the water, the more goes into storms.

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Also they are not completely wrong, in theory that is what should have happened. It doesn't really prove anything except that storms have alot more variables and factors then we know about. Given them their unpredictability. So when a few hippies jump their gun don't get whiney.


Yeah, the majority of scientists in the world are "a few hippies".
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Take a damn biology course nitwit. Global Warming isn't that big of a deal they make it out to be. Yah its not good but nature corrects itself.


Nature isn't inherently a good thing.

Life will survive and flourish, sure. The environment will go on. But that's not what we as humans should be concerned about; what we should be concerned about is, will this environment/ecosystem be good for US?

And the answer is "not really". Will WE survive? Sure. It'll take a lot to kill off humanity. We can survive any number of really, really scary things.

But global warming isn't going to be fun.

Better to avoid a really bad time than to just dismiss it as "oh, we'll live. whatever."

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They said that this global warming would create more powerful violent storms. The people who first spoke out are shut up now as you say. Because their prediction wasn't accurate. Embarresment.


Except it was. The average power of a hurricane has been going up for 30 years.

There are certainly a lot of variables, but the one that really matters has also been rising for that period of time: ocean surface temperature. The more energy there is in the water, the more goes into storms.

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Also they are not completely wrong, in theory that is what should have happened. It doesn't really prove anything except that storms have alot more variables and factors then we know about. Given them their unpredictability. So when a few hippies jump their gun don't get whiney.


Yeah, the majority of scientists in the world are "a few hippies".


I am believing my dispotion was there was more of there is too much unknown to be blaming people about it. Yes power has been steadily going up, but if this was as true to the book as they claimed, this year should have been horrific yet it wasn't. So my point is, too many factors, the ones we have identified are looking scary but, its not doing what we said it would do, so there are others elements to this. Ehh hipies.. thats my personal bias showing.


Things always get worse before they get better. Though the pollution does need to take a serious cut down, otherwise we are just rubbing salt into the wound.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I am believing my dispotion was there was more of there is too much unknown to be blaming people about it. Yes power has been steadily going up, but if this was as true to the book as they claimed, this year should have been horrific yet it wasn't.


Well, that's just it. I don't mean that the number of storms should be going up. It really is just the power of the storms; the average number of storms hasn't changed. And that fits just fine with the theory.

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So my point is, too many factors, the ones we have identified are looking scary but, its not doing what we said it would do, so there are others elements to this. Ehh hipies.. thats my personal bias showing.


The patterns are quite clear by this point; the science is not in doubt. It's only a question of what we're going to do about it.

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Things always get worse before they get better. Though the pollution does need to take a serious cut down, otherwise we are just rubbing salt into the wound.


It's not just pollution that's an issue. We've got to stop using non-renewable energy sources entirely. Global warming is just the first and, perhaps, most visible of the reasons for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I am believing my dispotion was there was more of there is too much unknown to be blaming people about it. Yes power has been steadily going up, but if this was as true to the book as they claimed, this year should have been horrific yet it wasn't.


Well, that's just it. I don't mean that the number of storms should be going up. It really is just the power of the storms; the average number of storms hasn't changed. And that fits just fine with the theory.

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So my point is, too many factors, the ones we have identified are looking scary but, its not doing what we said it would do, so there are others elements to this. Ehh hipies.. thats my personal bias showing.


The patterns are quite clear by this point; the science is not in doubt. It's only a question of what we're going to do about it.

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Things always get worse before they get better. Though the pollution does need to take a serious cut down, otherwise we are just rubbing salt into the wound.


It's not just pollution that's an issue. We've got to stop using non-renewable energy sources entirely. Global warming is just the first and, perhaps, most visible of the reasons for this.


People like to stick to traditional ways. Nuclear scare, the people who still have the power on what we use for energy were mostly around during what you can call beta testing for nuclear energy. It was a lil narly, old memoriers, bad memoirs.

I got a sweet link I need to find, about cold fission. Its an extremely efficient nuclear reaction, that not only recycles the original uranium ( more juice) but cuts the half life in 4ths. From a thousand years too 250. Thats an option. THe main fuel would come from the waste we already have made from current nuclear fission, so the greenies should be happy. We just gotta break the nuclear fear.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People like to stick to traditional ways. Nuclear scare, the people who still have the power on what we use for energy were mostly around during what you can call beta testing for nuclear energy. It was a lil narly, old memoriers, bad memoirs.


Well, that's what i mean. Fissile nuclear power isn't really renewable either. There's only so much radioactive stuff in the ground.

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I got a sweet link I need to find, about cold fission. Its an extremely efficient nuclear reaction, that not only recycles the original uranium ( more juice) but cuts the half life in 4ths. From a thousand years too 250. Thats an option. THe main fuel would come from the waste we already have made from current nuclear fission, so the greenies should be happy. We just gotta break the nuclear fear.


I would be interested in that.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People like to stick to traditional ways. Nuclear scare, the people who still have the power on what we use for energy were mostly around during what you can call beta testing for nuclear energy. It was a lil narly, old memoriers, bad memoirs.


Well, that's what i mean. Fissile nuclear power isn't really renewable either. There's only so much radioactive stuff in the ground.

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I got a sweet link I need to find, about cold fission. Its an extremely efficient nuclear reaction, that not only recycles the original uranium ( more juice) but cuts the half life in 4ths. From a thousand years too 250. Thats an option. THe main fuel would come from the waste we already have made from current nuclear fission, so the greenies should be happy. We just gotta break the nuclear fear.


I would be interested in that.


Yah, I first read about it in a magizine I am hoping to find internet sources on it, to credify. I believe it was popular science, so it is most likely credible.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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reporters are too afraid to report things critical of this president. look at what happens everytime they do...bush goes and threatens them. it is bullshit.

know how hitler won over the masses?
he controlled the media.

Is this why most media attacks Bush on a daily basis? On tv the only station that doesnt lean left and attack Bush is Fox News. Other than that, the news leans left and attacks Bush with a passion.

And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


okay...maybe the reason it seems that bush is being bashed, is because he has done nothing but to fuck up this country in every aspect.

1 example:
ever heard of global warming? why do you think scientists have been so quite about bush's denial of global warming?


Take a damn biology course nitwit. Global Warming isn't that big of a deal they make it out to be. Yah its not good but nature corrects itself.

They said that this global warming would create more powerful violent storms. The people who first spoke out are shut up now as you say. Because their prediction wasn't accurate. Embarresment. Also they are not completely wrong, in theory that is what should have happened. It doesn't really prove anything except that storms have alot more variables and factors then we know about. Given them their unpredictability. So when a few hippies jump their gun don't get whiney.


wow, you are a fucking moron.

haha...behold the power of propaganda.

scientists all over the world must be wrong.

docsmitter,
you must believe the world was created in 6 days.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't know very much about science, and virtually nothing about chemistry or mereorology... but it strikes me that "Average power of storms is increasing" doesn't mean every year has to have a massive, horrible, destructive disaster. Because it's an average, not a universal statement. I do know that global temperature is increasing in the last several decades by several times the normal ebb and flow of global climate change. I tend to trust the scientific consensus of the people who are trained to understand these things, and they say it's dangerous. Even if they are all "hippies," there are more than "a few" of them. Honestly, though, I think nobody will explore alternative energy until oil becomes so expensive that researching alternative fuel is economically profitable in an immediate way. But that's gonna take a big bite out of the current running of the American economy and several others that rely heavily on cars and trucks for transportation.
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I don't know very much about science, and virtually nothing about chemistry or mereorology... but it strikes me that "Average power of storms is increasing" doesn't mean every year has to have a massive, horrible, destructive disaster. Because it's an average, not a universal statement.


That's exactly it.

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I do know that global temperature is increasing in the last several decades by several times the normal ebb and flow of global climate change. I tend to trust the scientific consensus of the people who are trained to understand these things, and they say it's dangerous. Even if they are all "hippies," there are more than "a few" of them. Honestly, though, I think nobody will explore alternative energy until oil becomes so expensive that researching alternative fuel is economically profitable in an immediate way. But that's gonna take a big bite out of the current running of the American economy and several others that rely heavily on cars and trucks for transportation.


Which is why i think we need to use to government to push things along. There are no natural economic incentives, so we need to make some.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Cantskate wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
reporters are too afraid to report things critical of this president. look at what happens everytime they do...bush goes and threatens them. it is bullshit.

know how hitler won over the masses?
he controlled the media.

Is this why most media attacks Bush on a daily basis? On tv the only station that doesnt lean left and attack Bush is Fox News. Other than that, the news leans left and attacks Bush with a passion.

And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


okay...maybe the reason it seems that bush is being bashed, is because he has done nothing but to fuck up this country in every aspect.

1 example:
ever heard of global warming? why do you think scientists have been so quite about bush's denial of global warming?


Take a damn biology course nitwit. Global Warming isn't that big of a deal they make it out to be. Yah its not good but nature corrects itself.

They said that this global warming would create more powerful violent storms. The people who first spoke out are shut up now as you say. Because their prediction wasn't accurate. Embarresment. Also they are not completely wrong, in theory that is what should have happened. It doesn't really prove anything except that storms have alot more variables and factors then we know about. Given them their unpredictability. So when a few hippies jump their gun don't get whiney.


wow, you are a fucking moron.

haha...behold the power of propaganda.

scientists all over the world must be wrong.

docsmitter,
you must believe the world was created in 6 days.

GO watch your CNN and be content.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
I don't know very much about science, and virtually nothing about chemistry or mereorology... but it strikes me that "Average power of storms is increasing" doesn't mean every year has to have a massive, horrible, destructive disaster. Because it's an average, not a universal statement.


That's exactly it.

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I do know that global temperature is increasing in the last several decades by several times the normal ebb and flow of global climate change. I tend to trust the scientific consensus of the people who are trained to understand these things, and they say it's dangerous. Even if they are all "hippies," there are more than "a few" of them. Honestly, though, I think nobody will explore alternative energy until oil becomes so expensive that researching alternative fuel is economically profitable in an immediate way. But that's gonna take a big bite out of the current running of the American economy and several others that rely heavily on cars and trucks for transportation.


Which is why i think we need to use to government to push things along. There are no natural economic incentives, so we need to make some.


Groups have been pushing for alternate energy for a long time. But again the majority of people want the nuclear reactors, but they don't want it in their backyard.

Wind is great, but what if the wind dies, and a problem with building up wind plants is, yes dare i say, global warming. It's changing wind patterns, and where you could go build acres( yes you need acres) one day its great, few years no wind.

Solar is a good alternative, reflective NA heating is the new model for solar plants, but if it gets cloudy? Alot of eco friendly sources, just really too much on weather, and with our changing weather might not be best to start building power dependant on that.

Also I really agree on the government needs to push this. Since oil and coal has been so acceptantly used that not enough money and resources have gone into finding new sources.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Wind is great, but what if the wind dies, and a problem with building up wind plants is, yes dare i say, global warming. It's changing wind patterns, and where you could go build acres( yes you need acres) one day its great, few years no wind.

Solar is a good alternative, reflective NA heating is the new model for solar plants, but if it gets cloudy? Alot of eco friendly sources, just really too much on weather, and with our changing weather might not be best to start building power dependant on that.


That's why there's no one solution. We actually need to pursue all the alternative options.

Solar is the biggest one, of course. While there are cloudy days, there are places that that's not a huge issue. Like the desert.

But the rest are important as well.

That's also why hydrogen is important; you can store excess energy as hydrogen, and use it during the downtime when some of the reuseable ones aren't generating much.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Wind is great, but what if the wind dies, and a problem with building up wind plants is, yes dare i say, global warming. It's changing wind patterns, and where you could go build acres( yes you need acres) one day its great, few years no wind.

Solar is a good alternative, reflective NA heating is the new model for solar plants, but if it gets cloudy? Alot of eco friendly sources, just really too much on weather, and with our changing weather might not be best to start building power dependant on that.


That's why there's no one solution. We actually need to pursue all the alternative options.

Solar is the biggest one, of course. While there are cloudy days, there are places that that's not a huge issue. Like the desert.

But the rest are important as well.

That's also why hydrogen is important; you can store excess energy as hydrogen, and use it during the downtime when some of the reuseable ones aren't generating much.


Solar is looking the best.

New model solar plants have Ultra Reflective pannels, that focuz the light onto a 50ft tower that has a NA or K salt i don't remember which, that gets supperheated to a plastic solid, this flows and can store heat for up to a week ( your cloudy week) the heated is transfered into the water and then turbines.

I dunno i think it is pretty neat.

I still think wind is a pretty crappy solution right now though, they are big take up alot of space, and aren't all that reliable.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Docsmitter wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Cantskate wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
reporters are too afraid to report things critical of this president. look at what happens everytime they do...bush goes and threatens them. it is bullshit.

know how hitler won over the masses?
he controlled the media.

Is this why most media attacks Bush on a daily basis? On tv the only station that doesnt lean left and attack Bush is Fox News. Other than that, the news leans left and attacks Bush with a passion.

And where are the threats from Bush against people that are critical of Bush? I haven't seen or hear of Bush critizers be threatened by Bush.


okay...maybe the reason it seems that bush is being bashed, is because he has done nothing but to fuck up this country in every aspect.

1 example:
ever heard of global warming? why do you think scientists have been so quite about bush's denial of global warming?


Take a damn biology course nitwit. Global Warming isn't that big of a deal they make it out to be. Yah its not good but nature corrects itself.

They said that this global warming would create more powerful violent storms. The people who first spoke out are shut up now as you say. Because their prediction wasn't accurate. Embarresment. Also they are not completely wrong, in theory that is what should have happened. It doesn't really prove anything except that storms have alot more variables and factors then we know about. Given them their unpredictability. So when a few hippies jump their gun don't get whiney.


wow, you are a fucking moron.

haha...behold the power of propaganda.

scientists all over the world must be wrong.

docsmitter,
you must believe the world was created in 6 days.

GO watch your CNN and be content.


yea...okay. good one.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Docsmitter wrote:
exton wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
I don't know very much about science, and virtually nothing about chemistry or mereorology... but it strikes me that "Average power of storms is increasing" doesn't mean every year has to have a massive, horrible, destructive disaster. Because it's an average, not a universal statement.


That's exactly it.

Quote:

I do know that global temperature is increasing in the last several decades by several times the normal ebb and flow of global climate change. I tend to trust the scientific consensus of the people who are trained to understand these things, and they say it's dangerous. Even if they are all "hippies," there are more than "a few" of them. Honestly, though, I think nobody will explore alternative energy until oil becomes so expensive that researching alternative fuel is economically profitable in an immediate way. But that's gonna take a big bite out of the current running of the American economy and several others that rely heavily on cars and trucks for transportation.


Which is why i think we need to use to government to push things along. There are no natural economic incentives, so we need to make some.


Groups have been pushing for alternate energy for a long time. But again the majority of people want the nuclear reactors, but they don't want it in their backyard.

Wind is great, but what if the wind dies, and a problem with building up wind plants is, yes dare i say, global warming. It's changing wind patterns, and where you could go build acres( yes you need acres) one day its great, few years no wind.

Solar is a good alternative, reflective NA heating is the new model for solar plants, but if it gets cloudy? Alot of eco friendly sources, just really too much on weather, and with our changing weather might not be best to start building power dependant on that.

Also I really agree on the government needs to push this. Since oil and coal has been so acceptantly used that not enough money and resources have gone into finding new sources.


the government does need to push alternative energy along. unfortunately the government is owned by corporations, the GOP in particular the oil industry.

nuclear reactors are not the answer. the world needs to rid itself from nuclear weapons and reactors. they are the greatest threat to mankind. they do not even save money and create radioactive waste that does not loose half of its toxicity for 4.5 billion years. it is not cheaper like the nuclear indusrty claims. reactors cost so much money to build and they don't turn that great of a profit for years. once they begin to become self sufficient, they need costly repairs. nuclear energy is not worth it.

i will agree with you in part on the wind energy. if you were to try to replace a coal buring power plant with wind, it would be a partial disaster. but when an individual decided to put up a couple turbines to power their property it is pretty effective.

solar is sort of the way to go, but the problem with it is storing energy.

both solar and wind power are most effective when used individually...although australia is building the world's largest solar power field and china is building the world's second largest. so we will see about solar.
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