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Does an alternate form of energy threaten current energy companies?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Just to be clear, "cold fusion" does not yet exist.

It is true that, under certain conditions, you can get fusion to occur without having to turn the temperature way up. Or, it seems to be true, anyway.

But there's no process whereby fusion has been shown to occur as it does in, say, the sun, but at low temperatures. And that's the fusion we want.

"Bonding to the whole frame of the molecule"? I don't want to say that's total nonsense but...it sounds like total nonsense. Which article was that?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
A more recent experiment:
http://nigeriaworld.com/articles/2005/mar/271.html
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I support nuclear power as a transition into renewable energy, anyone else?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
"Bonding to the whole frame of the molecule"? I don't want to say that's total nonsense but...it sounds like total nonsense. Which article was that?


Just strike that statement from the record. I can't find the page now. It was an article and not a blog. I meant atom, not molecule, sorry. Basically it said that there was some kind of complete bonding to the frame of the helium or hydrogen atom or whatever it was that they used in the Fleischmann and Pons experiment. I am tired, going to bed for now, we shall finish this later.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I did notice from the video that one of the most vocal opponents of coldfusion was Dr. Douglas Martin the physicist from CERN and the other guy at MIT.

Didn't you say that they were the ones who had the cingularity study going on? Are they privately funded there at CERN or through the governments that support them? And why is the US just an "observer nation"? Would their mission there be lost if coldfusion turned out to be the solution? The reason that I ask is because, if I am not mistaken, they currently have no coldfusion studies going on there. At least, according to their website, they don't.


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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess that two questions immediately pop up:

    Do most of the labs now currently working on alternative energies, like CERN, MIT, Lawrence Livermore and such limit themselves to exploring only energy that can be tapped into, harnessed, marketed and made available at a profit?

    And is coldfusion, in regards to the immense excess heat, possibly so vast that there could be no justification for even being charged for it by your local energy companies?


It seems like a pretty simple operation.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Would their mission there be lost if coldfusion turned out to be the solution?


No. Their mission has nothing to do with cold fusion.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:

Do most of the labs now currently working on alternative energies, like CERN, MIT, Lawrence Livermore and such limit themselves to exploring only energy that can be tapped into, harnessed, marketed and made available at a profit?


That's not quite the right question to ask, mostly because nobody believes that you can get something entirely for nothing.

If you're asking whether scientists and engineers research only things that can turn a profit, the answer is no.

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And is coldfusion, in regards to the immense excess heat, possibly so vast that there could be no justification for even being charged for it by your local energy companies?


I'm not sure that you're aware of the status of cold fusion...

It doesn't exist. Really, it doesn't. There isn't even a theoreticaly operating principle for it. There's simply no way to know how much it would cost to do it, since nobody knows how to do it at all.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
I'm not sure that you're aware of the status of cold fusion...


The most recent experiment that I know of is that one link that I posted-"More recent experiment". Have there been new developments?

exton wrote:
It doesn't exist. Really, it doesn't. There isn't even a theoreticaly operating principle for it. There's simply no way to know how much it would cost to do it, since nobody knows how to do it at all.


Now, you're saying that it doesn't exist. Isn't the real problem that they don't even know what to call the reaction that happens. Because it is in fact a reaction that happens. The proof is in the tritium and the helium, in conjunction with the ash.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I qualified that statement earlier: yes, we have some ways of getting atoms to fuse without turning up the heat. No, we do not have a way to do so that can be used for generating energy.

That's the whole point behind cold fusion - generate energy. If it can't be used for generating energy, it's not "cold fusion" in the sense that the term actually implies.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
I qualified that statement earlier: yes, we have some ways of getting atoms to fuse without turning up the heat. No, we do not have a way to do so that can be used for generating energy.

That's the whole point behind cold fusion - generate energy. If it can't be used for generating energy, it's not "cold fusion" in the sense that the term actually implies.


Must they use heavy water only?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you can find a way to generate energy by fusing heavier atoms (than hydrogen), that would still qualify.

The problem is that, the heavier the atom, the more energy you need to innitiate fusion. The energy requirements rise rather steeply. That's why no one really talks about fusion energy with regards to heavier elements.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
If you can find a way to generate energy by fusing heavier atoms (than hydrogen), that would still qualify.

The problem is that, the heavier the atom, the more energy you need to innitiate fusion. The energy requirements rise rather steeply. That's why no one really talks about fusion energy with regards to heavier elements.


It was hilarious...or. actually very sad when they were talking about the huge amount of funding that the on guy from MIT got after denouncing Coldfusion. An d all of the billions of $ that has gone into that one "Hot" project that hadn't even produced 1 Kw of extra power.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's the way scientific research is - it is always a gamble.

Hot fusion is definitely an important field of research, and deserves the money it gets.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
That's the way scientific research is - it is always a gamble.

Hot fusion is definitely an important field of research, and deserves the money it gets.


More than cold?
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