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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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No, it is more correct to say that there are a number of different services that society requires in order to function.

There is no reason that humans have to be the ones to do these tasks.


Ok and where do people get jobs at? If Aritificial Intelligence can do all of the shitty jobs, then where can those that are replaced work? Unemployment is relatively high as it is, think if we eliminated all service jobs for humans. Unemployment would sky rocket. We can't pull jobs out of our asses. We can only make up so many pointless and useless jobs in the corporate world. Jobs like human resource and the millions of different associates there are proves that humanity is running out of real jobs.


The reason that people need jobs is that they need resources.

The less scarce resources are, the less work you have to do in order to attain them.

And that's the whole idea - use technology to alleviate scarcity.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Bottom line is, there HAS to be poor people otherwise a society cannot function.


In capitalism there has to be.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Some people may be poor, but I don't think it is fair to call them failures. The point is, if someone from a country like mexico can come up from being a street urchin to being one of the top ten richest people in the world, anyone can. (Carlos Slim Helu)

Li Ka-Shin was a peasant in a communist country and did the same thing.
So sucking up to gov. party to get rich is what we should do?
"What can my government do about that?". Didn't Kennedy say something along those lines?


You know the quote get it right.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

*I* know that one, and I don't even live in your country. I think it's a stupid quote by the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
ZackH wrote:
Bottom line is, there HAS to be poor people otherwise a society cannot function.


In capitalism there has to be.


Oh yea Socialism and Communism sure works, and i saw the debate you had on communism and i completly disagree. Read a series called the Sword of Truth, it's a high fantasy series but also kind of dabbles in modern world situations like communism. It's a good read, long series though like 11 books.

By the way it's funny that you support communism so much for someone that hates violence and hates death since communism requires a violent rebellion.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can see why you would think communism doesn't work, but socialism? Ever heard of Sweden?

It doesn't require violent rebellion, Marx thought it required rebellion full stop, I disagree, what is really neccesary is a clean slate, you can do this by revolution, *or* you can make your own country/colony.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
TrespassersW wrote:
Lester wrote:
...if you take away government sponsored programs for education those who are poor will always be poor.

This notion flies in the face of the fact that many, many people throughout history got very, very rich in the absence of said programs.

As a percentage of the population, that number of people is very, very small.

I was simply pointing out the irrationality of suggesting that government programs are necessary to lift the poor out of poverty. Were that true, everyone would have been poor before said programs existed. The reality is that lots of people managed to become educated--both rich and poor--before the federal government decided to take over that function. Further, it seems quite clear that lots of people were better educated then than now.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Further, it seems quite clear that lots of people were better educated then than now.


That is not the case. People now are better educated than ever before.

Now, how educated they are as a percentage of total knowledge, that's another question.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
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Further, it seems quite clear that lots of people were better educated then than now.

That is not the case. People now are better educated than ever before.

Can you provide me with some support for that statement? I'm always open to learning...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nope.

I would have assumed that it's self-evident. Things prior to the depression were...quite different from the way they are now. In terms of what we teach and whatnot.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I guess it's probably more accurate for me to write that I think the quality of education was better in the past than today. That many people did not avail themselves of an education before the government mandated it certainly suggests that, on average, people are better educated today. So I'll give you that one. Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I guess it's probably more accurate for me to write that I think the quality of education was better in the past than today. That many people did not avail themselves of an education before the government mandated it certainly suggests that, on average, people are better educated today. So I'll give you that one. Cool


It almost seems like the history of the entire 80's have been omitted from our history books.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:
TrespassersW wrote:
I guess it's probably more accurate for me to write that I think the quality of education was better in the past than today. That many people did not avail themselves of an education before the government mandated it certainly suggests that, on average, people are better educated today. So I'll give you that one. Cool

It almost seems like the history of the entire 80's have been omitted from our history books.

Well, it certainly seems like an awful lot of people have failed to learn anything meaningful from what occurred then.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TrespassersW wrote:
Xerxes wrote:
TrespassersW wrote:
I guess it's probably more accurate for me to write that I think the quality of education was better in the past than today. That many people did not avail themselves of an education before the government mandated it certainly suggests that, on average, people are better educated today. So I'll give you that one. Cool

It almost seems like the history of the entire 80's have been omitted from our history books.

Well, it certainly seems like an awful lot of people have failed to learn anything meaningful from what occurred then.


I agree. Which is why we need more transparency in government.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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