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Lynx
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The governments job is to protect individual rights and freedoms, not to take care of them from the cradle to the grave.


That's true in your ideal world. We've shaped our government into something different though.

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You want entitlements, well be prepared to pay for it with money and your freedoms.


I am glad to pay for it with money. I'm not sure what freedoms I'm paying for anything with.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lynx wrote:
Turk wrote:
The governments job is to protect individual rights and freedoms, not to take care of them from the cradle to the grave.


That's true in your ideal world. We've shaped our government into something different though.

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You want entitlements, well be prepared to pay for it with money and your freedoms.


I am glad to pay for it with money. I'm not sure what freedoms I'm paying for anything with.


Yes that is true and no we have not shaped our government, the rogue govt agencies have created themselves with out consent of the people.

I am not glad to pay for it with my money, maybe you should pay more for it to make up for my end since you want it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes that is true and no we have not shaped our government, the rogue govt agencies have created themselves with out consent of the people.


Oh bullshit. Majority elections across the board have put liberal after liberal in office who created the government programs we see today. When people stop electing liberals and government keeps growing, I'll believe you in saying that the government has created its own programs without the influence or consent of anyone else (either that, or I'll theorize that conservatives create just as many programs as liberals, while denying that they do so).

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I am not glad to pay for it with my money, maybe you should pay more for it to make up for my end since you want it.


That's not how things work. You benefit from what we as a society have created, and as such, you have to pay in to the funding of that. If you don't want to pay, change society.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yes that is true and no we have not shaped our government, the rogue govt agencies have created themselves with out consent of the people.


Oh bullshit. Majority elections across the board have put liberal after liberal in office who created the government programs we see today. When people stop electing liberals and government keeps growing, I'll believe you in saying that the government has created its own programs without the influence or consent of anyone else (either that, or I'll theorize that conservatives create just as many programs as liberals, while denying that they do so).

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I am not glad to pay for it with my money, maybe you should pay more for it to make up for my end since you want it.


That's not how things work. You benefit from what we as a society have created, and as such, you have to pay in to the funding of that. If you don't want to pay, change society.
No one benefits from socialism, oh wait only the super rich elitists prosper, and all of the wroking class pays for socialism
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
We don't live in a Socialist society. Next.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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We don't live in a Socialist society. Next.
Well we do not have a government that works for the people anymore, we work for them.
We have a centeral bank called the federal reserve which by the way is part of the communist manifesto to controll the people and redistriute wealth.
We are moving toward a police state.
Protesting can be illegal even if it is peaceful
what else do you need to know?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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]Well we do not have a government that works for the people anymore, we work for them.


I fail to see how the government doesn't work for the people. There are a number of cases where I'd agree, but for the most part, the social programs that are run by the government do far more than volunteer and private charities do for what I would call "people".

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We have a centeral bank called the federal reserve which by the way is part of the communist manifesto to controll the people and redistriute wealth.


I don't care if it's in the Communist Manifesto or not. The Communist Manifesto supports good education. Does that mean we should make sure that all education is bad, lest someone call us a Communist?

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We are moving toward a police state.


What that has to do with Socialism, I don't know. Our current Fearless Leader is far from being socialist.

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Protesting can be illegal even if it is peaceful


Same as above.

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what else do you need to know?


I need to know why you can't even educate yourself on subjects you want to get pissed about enough to correctly categorize who causes what problems. Good try blaming everything on leftists and government, but for people who actually pay attention, it won't work.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where in the communist manifesto does it say to control the people turk?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Where in the communist manifesto does it say to control the people turk?

look for the centeral banks function in the manifesto
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It says nothing about controlling people.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thats controlling the money, which in modern communist thought (which isn't just my head), we get rid of money.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lynx wrote:
It says nothing about controlling people.
controlling money is controlling people
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Lynx wrote:
It says nothing about controlling people.
controlling money is controlling people


So is controlling food, water, or shelter.

Shall we do away with farmers as well?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I do hate me some farmers.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I do hate me some farmers.

leave the farmers alone
they do not make the rules Laughing
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