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Timetheos
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My wife, as a teacher, has her salary posted on the internet. She has been told that any emails to/from her school email account are public property and subject to inspection.

When it comes to her work, she has very little, if any, privacy.

That is the way it should be for all public servents. Work related emails are property of us, the citizens.

If Palin, like Rove and Cheney, tried to skirt this by using a private account, I have no sympathy.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
she is a public servant
she is not entitled to privacy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Timetheos wrote:
My wife, as a teacher, has her salary posted on the internet. She has been told that any emails to/from her school email account are public property and subject to inspection.

When it comes to her work, she has very little, if any, privacy.

That is the way it should be for all public servents. Work related emails are property of us, the citizens.

If Palin, like Rove and Cheney, tried to skirt this by using a private account, I have no sympathy.


There is a marked difference between an official investigation and a breach of privacy. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were done by the officials and only relevant information was released, but this was done by a private citizen, and screen shots of private data were posted online. This is not an investigation, nor is it anyone's business. She was only alleged to have used her private account for public work, and it was never proven - the perpetrator even expressed disappointment that he didn't find anything incriminating - yet he posted her private stuff online anyway.

You didn't mention whether your wife's personal e-mail account is subject to search by her employer, and it is unlikely that they'd be allowed to without very probable cause. So why should Palin's private e-mail account be subject to search by just anybody?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CustomFordGirl wrote:
Timetheos wrote:
My wife, as a teacher, has her salary posted on the internet. She has been told that any emails to/from her school email account are public property and subject to inspection.

When it comes to her work, she has very little, if any, privacy.

That is the way it should be for all public servents. Work related emails are property of us, the citizens.

If Palin, like Rove and Cheney, tried to skirt this by using a private account, I have no sympathy.


There is a marked difference between an official investigation and a breach of privacy. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were done by the officials and only relevant information was released, but this was done by a private citizen, and screen shots of private data were posted online. This is not an investigation, nor is it anyone's business. She was only alleged to have used her private account for public work, and it was never proven - the perpetrator even expressed disappointment that he didn't find anything incriminating - yet he posted her private stuff online anyway.

You didn't mention whether your wife's personal e-mail account is subject to search by her employer, and it is unlikely that they'd be allowed to without very probable cause. So why should Palin's private e-mail account be subject to search by just anybody?


Uh no.

First, as public property, she's been told that a reporter can come by anytime and look at the emails.

Second, Palin was using personal email for government purposes, which is a no-no. One reason is that email on internet accounts are easily hackable. Another is that it makes it difficult for oversight.

I'm not saying it was proper that her account was hacked, but Palin has not acted properly in this matter, so I find myself with little sympathy for her.

Perhaps a good analogy is someone driving to the worst part of town in their best car and intentionally leaving the keys in the ignition while they go into a bar. The car get stolen and the person starts whining. What did they think was going to happen? Sure it was wrong the car got stolen, but it was incredibly stupid of that person to take such action.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Perhaps a good analogy is someone driving to the worst part of town in their best car and intentionally leaving the keys in the ignition while they go into a bar. The car get stolen and the person starts whining. What did they think was going to happen? Sure it was wrong the car got stolen, but it was incredibly stupid of that person to take such action.


I think this analogy is still an understatement. Palin is embarassing. She set her password recovery question to "Where did I meet my husband?" WHICH SHE ANSWERED IN HER INTRODUCTORY SPEECH AT THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION. As Timetheos said, she shouldn't have been "hacked", but come on, how stupid do you have to be do something like that?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It doesn't matter how stupid the victim or the victims actions are it is still wrong to violate them and commit a crime. This argument reminds me of the one that a rape victim who was a tease and wore a short skirt should have seen it comming an absolutley ridiculous and insulting idea. Even though it isn't the kind of society we live in someone should be able to leave their keys in the car and expect it to be there.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rhaskill wrote:
It doesn't matter how stupid the victim or the victims actions are it is still wrong to violate them and commit a crime. This argument reminds me of the one that a rape victim who was a tease and wore a short skirt should have seen it comming an absolutley ridiculous and insulting idea. Even though it isn't the kind of society we live in someone should be able to leave their keys in the car and expect it to be there.


Did you read the last sentance?

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Sure it was wrong the car got stolen, but it was incredibly stupid of that person to take such action.


Should the hacker be prosecuted? Yes! Was it wrong for him to do it? Yes! Was Palin an idiot? Yes!

Speaking of rape victims, we are probably showing Palin more compassion than she showed them. http://www.factcheck.org/askfa.....s_pay.html
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