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jusdeadphunky
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
freddie,

i am leaving for the night so i will not be responding until at least tomorrow afternoon.

have a happy friday!

peace out
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Works for me see you around. May your weekend be blessed.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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hey freddie,
i pointed out your ignorant statements and showed that you do not know shit about the world around you. your statements reflect ignorance, intolerance and hypocrisy. the u.s. media is an anti-palestinian propaganda machine. i am sorry that you have fallen victim to it.

how about you try to prove the statements of yours that i ripped apart correct. until then, i am not going to respond to your crying. quit being such a sensitive baby about me typing curse words in my statements and using it as a cop out.


You haven't ripped anything apart. You have not given the first bit of evidence to support your opinion and that is all it really is.

YOU step up to the plate and prove something for a change. You constantly say "oh yeah prove it". Why? Because you have your own head burried in the sand.

I could care less about whether or not you respond to my comments and I could care less about your language but if you address me with ignorance and profanity don't expect me not to defend myself.

I've been reading your posts and I have not found one yet that was anything more than inane opinion. Now with that said I honestly haven't read all your post. I guess the law of averages says you may have had something to say worth reading.

You are kind of full of yourself kat daddy. But you'll be ok I'm praying for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
'Cause i'll get shot?

That doesn't say much for the state of civilization in texas.


You won't get shot, ridiculed yes, and if you say it to the wrong people, they'll hogtie you and leave you somewhere in North Texas in a field full of Longhorns, but not shot.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
To get back on topic. Support Isreal?

Semite: (noun) A member of a group of Semitic-speaking peoples of the Near East and northern Africa, including the Arabs, Arameans, Babylonians, Carthaginians, Ethiopians, Hebrews, and Phoenicians.

Israel is being run by Zionist regime. They are not even qualified to speak for the average Jew walking the street. Because they are a good kind people who actually want to settle things in the region. Unlike their leaders. In fact, their are a ton of Zionists here in the States, most of them in powerful positions to lobby for support.

First, you need to separate Zionism and Judaism. Zionists stem from the Khazars. The Khazars were a powerful people who once ruled over portions of Russia and Eastern Europe. They, (or at least many of their leaders), converted to Judaism between 620 and 740AD and were eventually defeated and disappeared.

The Khazars have no historical connection to Palestine and have no genetic connection to biblical Israel, and hence to the narratives of the Bible and the "Holy Land".

What title-deeds do the Jews of today actually have to the land of 'Israel'? The idea that a people can possess some kind of ethnic ancestral right to a territory they were exiled from and supposedly vacated by their forebearers some millenia previously, implying a right in perpetuity, can have no legal basis. Or otherwise Americans of European ancestry, to name just one group of people, will have to pack their bags.

After approximately 50 years the Jewish exiles were allowed, by the Persian Empire and Cyrus the Great, to return back to the Land of Jerusalem, where they built the Second Temple in Jerusalem and were allowed autonomous rule.

The truth of the matter is is that Palestinians and most of the neighboring countries are actually more Semitic than the current right-wing (Likud Party)leadership of Israel.

So, are you saying that we should support Jewish people?.....Or, should we support Zionism?
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Raibeart
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Freddie, how about trying to answer these?
http://www.nkusa.org/Historica.....stions.cfm
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Raibeart
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
What about the terrorism perpetrated by the Zionists Freddie?? Or is it one law for them and another for the Palestinians??

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In the midst of its campaign against Hizbollah and Hamas "terrorists", Israel has been accused by Britain of feting Jewish "terrorists" whose bomb attack killed 28 Britons 60 years ago today.

The accusation, which reopens the debate about the use of politically-inspired violence in the region, follows the unveiling of a plaque commemorating the attack on the King David hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946, by the Irgun Jewish "resistance" to British mandate rule in Palestine. The 28 Britons were among 91 people killed.

This week, former Irgun fighters and current Right-wing politicians unveiled the plaque at the hotel, which read: "The hotel housed the Mandate Secretariat as well as the Army Headquarters. On July 22, 1946, Irgun fighters at the order of the Hebrew Resistance Movement planted explosives in the basement. Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel's occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British, the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun's regret and dismay 91 persons were killed."

But Israel's celebration of its "freedom fighters" remains highly controversial at a time when it continues to pound Palestinian "terrorists".

Tzipi Livni, Israel's foreign minister, has found herself deeply embroiled in the debate - her father, Eitan, was Irgun's chief operations officer.

Simon Macdonald, the British ambassador to Israel, and consul general John Jenkins, wrote to the mayor of Jerusalem protesting at the plaque. "We don't think it's right for an act of terrorism to be commemorated," their letter read.

The embassy said: "There is no credible evidence that any warning reached the British authorities." The plaque has subsequently been amended, dropping the implication that Britain ignored any warnings.

Interesting. Besides terrorist bombing of hotels, what else was the Irgun gang (and its off-shoot the Stern gang) about? Let us dig a little deeper into the history, shall we? Links and emphasis added:

The plain fact is that one wing of Zionism - the socalled "revisionist" wing - founded itself on the notion that the Palestinian people would have to be driven out of the land of both Palestine and Transjordan (today's state of Jordan) and that, if they weren't willing to go, they would have to be subjugated as a permanent minority within a Zionist state, or forced to leave by any means necessary.

Revisionism's founder, Vladimir Jabotinsky, laid down the basis of the argument in the 1920s. To clear Palestine of Arabs he wanted a Jewish army, and he founded a series of Zionist youth militias across Europe - groups which leftwing Zionists charged had more in common with farright militias than with the Zionist project. Jabotinsky made some efforts to discipline his more effusive followers (though he never expelled those such as Abba Achimeir, who suggested that Hitler's "renewal" of the German people was something Zionists could follow by example), but by the 1940s they had blossomed into the Irgun and the Lehi. These gangs terrorised Palestinians after World WarII, rolling bombs into Arab markets and massacring people in villages such as Deir Yassin.

The strategy was ethnic cleansing, pure and simple, and it worked - it turned nearly a million Palestinians into refugees. The Irgun hoped they would simply keep on going into wider Arabia. The Arab world, which was well aware of the strategy, has had other ideas:

Jabotinsky's follower, Menachem Begin, became prime minister in 1977 and accelerated phase two of the plan - land theft in the West Bank and the creation of Jewish settlements, to ensure that Palestinians became a powerless minority within expanded borders. Because this was an ongoing military campaign, Begin made a former general his minister of housing - Ariel Sharon.

Begin was a dedicated terrorist well into the 1950s. It has recently been revealed that he attempted to assassinate West Germany's chancellor Konrad Adenauer in 1952 over disagreement on how the German compensation for the Holocaust should be paid.

The proud tradition of terrorist PMs would continue. Yitzhak Shamir was also a member the Irgun, and after the split, of the Stern gang.

Let's see if this history does not also involve some other individuals we know (emphasis added):

Ehud Olmert was born in 1945 in a training camp for members of the militant Jewish underground known as the Irgun, and grew up in Binyamina, a small town north of Tel Aviv. The Olmerts were a family steeped in the politics of the right-wing revisionist Zionist movement of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and they lived in the largely Irgun neighborhood of Nahalat Jabotinsky. His father, Mordechai, was one of the founders of the Irgun. When it was disbanded, he served as a member of the Knesset for Herut, the party named for the Hebrew word for "freedom," founded by Irgun leader, Menachem Begin.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just wanted to pop in and say I'll answer all the questions posed. These questions need to answered when I can give full attention so please bare with me.

God bless.
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Raibeart
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddie mate, please bear with me, do not bless me with a mythical sky pixie as I am a confirmed Athiest, thank you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raibeart wrote:
Freddie mate, please bear with me, do not bless me with a mythical sky pixie as I am a confirmed Athiest, thank you.


......Or, "May the Omnipotent Creator smile upon you, for a brief second".
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:30 am    Post subject: Re: Israel should be supported Reply with quote
Freddie wrote:
Israel has the right to exist just like we in the US do. You don't like that they have the land they do? Well I'm sure there are a few native Americans who would like to hear your plan for giving back the land of their ancestry.

When you're done with that dissertation you can begin on your next one dealing with Mexico and how we can get them California and Texas back.


So America should keep aiding and abetting land taking in 2007 because America was guilty of the same thing in 1451. Interesting. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 6:03 am    Post subject: Re: Israel should be supported Reply with quote
Freddie wrote:
Well I'm sure there are a few native Americans who would like to hear your plan for giving back the land of their ancestry.


I like that plan.
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Freddie
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
hey sorry kats and kittens, I've been real tied up at work and a couple of other areas. I just popped in to let you know I am not gone. I will bring my debate back soon but I have a couple or more pressing matters to attend.

please bare with me if I ask a blessing on your life as it is a part of who I am.

God bless each and everyone of you and may he open some of your eyes.
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jusdeadphunky
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Freddie wrote:
may he open some of your eyes.


oh come on...you sound like that whacko fat lady in jesus camp.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Freddie wrote:
may he open some of your eyes.


oh come on...you sound like that whacko fat lady in jesus camp.


LMAO....Sister Mary Margaret!!! LMAO
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