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PostPosted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:39 pm    Post subject: israel finally admits to having nukes Reply with quote
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Israel's Olmert under fire over nuclear remarks

By Dan Williams1 hour, 18 minutes ago

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert triggered a domestic firestorm on Tuesday after publicly implying, in an apparent reversal of a decades-old secrecy policy, that Israel has the Middle East's only nuclear arsenal.

Leading opposition lawmakers accused Olmert, whose popularity was already hard-hit by the recent Lebanon war, of incompetence and of undermining Israel's campaign for Western nations to curb the atomic ambitions of its arch-foe, Iran.

Olmert said on Tuesday at a joint news conference in Berlin with German Chancellor Angela Merkel: "Israel will not be the first country to introduce nuclear weapons into the Middle East."

"That is our position and nothing about our position has changed," he added.

In a German television interview broadcast on Monday as he began his first official visit to Berlin, Olmert said: "Iran, openly, explicitly and publicly threatens to wipe Israel off the map. Can you say that this is the same level, when they are aspiring to have nuclear weapons, as America, France, Israel, Russia?"

Olmert aides said the remarks, which were made in English, did not constitute an admission that Israel has atomic weapons.

Independent analysts believe Israel has built between 80 and 200 nuclear warheads since the late 1960s. Israel refuses to discuss the assumed arsenal, under an "ambiguity" policy aimed at fending off regional foes and avoiding an arms race.

The reticence is a major grievance for Arabs and Iran, which see a double standard in Western calls for Tehran to accept checks on a nuclear program that it says is for civilian use.

"We always face the same question which our enemies ask: 'Why is Israel allowed to (have a bomb) and not Iran?"' former Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom, a member of the right-wing opposition Likud Party, said on Army Radio.

"This (Olmert's remark) causes great harm to Israel. We are in the midst of a huge (diplomatic) onslaught against Iran's attempts to make a nuclear bomb," he said.

DELIBERATE SLIP?

Yossi Beilin of the left-wing Meretz Party, which is also in opposition, questioned Olmert's fitness to lead.

"The prime minister's amazing statement regarding nuclear capability indicates a lack of caution bordering on irresponsibility," the top-selling Yedioth Ahronoth daily quoted Beilin as saying.

Though newspaper headlines accused Olmert of a "nuclear slip of the lip," some analysts have said that Israel, faced with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran, could go public with its own capabilities to maintain a deterrent advantage.

Such thinking was fueled last week when Robert Gates, the incoming U.S. secretary of defense, spoke of Israel's atomic arsenal as fact. Washington has long avoided discussing its ally's open secret explicitly.

"It could be that Olmert wanted to hint at Israel's capability as part of the aggressive statements he has recently been making, with the goal of warning the West that if they don't take care of Iran, Israel will," wrote Yedioth analyst Ronen Bergman.

While Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz saw no change in the ambiguity policy, he issued a veiled warning to Iran.

"We continue to pursue exactly the same policy," he said. "We will do our jobs and nobody should think for even a moment that in the light of all the developments we will remain idle."

Israel, with a U.S. nod, has refused to rule out pre-emptive military action against Iran akin to its 1981 air strike against the main Iraqi atomic reactor at Osiraq.

But many independent analysts believe that Iran's nuclear facilities are too numerous, scattered and fortified for Israel's armed forces to take on alone.

(Additional reporting by Dean Yates and Ori Lewis in Jerusalem, Allyn Fisher-Ilan and Louis Charbonneau in Berlin)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
that's like Rupaul admitting to having a penis. Laughing

who did they think they were fooling?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://www.nonviolence.org/vanunu/morestory.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
thelast007 wrote:
that's like Rupaul admitting to having a penis. Laughing

who did they think they were fooling?


hahaha...

themselves?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Good for israel.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Good for israel.


What is??????????
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raibeart wrote:
Lester wrote:
Good for israel.


What is??????????


Being truthful about what they have and not apologizing for it.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Raibeart wrote:
Lester wrote:
Good for israel.


What is??????????


Being truthful about what they have and not apologizing for it.


That is the next step to disarmament. LoL Like that will ever happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:

Being truthful about what they have and not apologizing for it.


No, they should apologize, for two reasons:

-Lying for decades
-Bringing the world just a little closer to nuclear holocaust, just by the action of having such weapons.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Lester wrote:

Being truthful about what they have and not apologizing for it.


No, they should apologize, for two reasons:

-Lying for decades
-Bringing the world just a little closer to nuclear holocaust, just by the action of having such weapons.


yea but it is israel...they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.

the u.s. should be apologizing for giving them nukes.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:

the u.s. should be apologizing for giving them nukes.


That too.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

the u.s. should be apologizing for giving them nukes.


That too.


in a perfect unselfish world that lacked arrogance : (
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

the u.s. should be apologizing for giving them nukes.


That too.


in a perfect unselfish world that lacked arrogance : (


Exactly, I don't expect them to anything that the U.S. won't do, and really, why should they have told the world before? It would have just meant they would be invaded, yea, full disclosures a good idea at that point.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4743987.stm
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually, I think that by them having nukes, it has hurt their national security more than anything. It raised the stakes. When you are considered to be a threat in the region, that decreases your national security.
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