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Raibeart
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....586501.stm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And the weekly death toll of US/UK troops continues steadily upwards. For what?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And the weekly death toll of US/UK troops continues steadily upwards. For what?


Hopefully this may help the situation if it comes to fruition.
http://kucinich.us/node/3696
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I read this story and thought it would contribute to this topic. It made me sad:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/042407L.shtml
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Oh but Bush is till sayin there's progress on the ground...
Like Pat Tilman wasn't killed by his own platoon?
Like mission accomplished in the Lincoln (with flight jacket none-the-less)stated now 4 yrs ago
Like Jessica Lynch's story wasn't made up?
and like everything else they have EVER said about this war????
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Here's a source that might add something to the discussion...


Here's a snippet...
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Petraeus, the new commander managing the "surge" of troops in Iraq, will be the first to caution realism. "Sure we see improvements - major improvements," he said in our interview, "but we still have a long way to go."

Please take the time to read the whole piece, and then let me know whether you think there is progress or is no progress. (I would not suggest that there are not problems, but it sure sounds to me like progress is being made.)
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
TrespassersW wrote:
Here's a source that might add something to the discussion...


Here's a snippet...
Quote:
Petraeus, the new commander managing the "surge" of troops in Iraq, will be the first to caution realism. "Sure we see improvements - major improvements," he said in our interview, "but we still have a long way to go."

Please take the time to read the whole piece, and then let me know whether you think there is progress or is no progress. (I would not suggest that there are not problems, but it sure sounds to me like progress is being made.)


There were those in the US who used the same words to describe the situation in Vietnam just weeks before the evacuation and flight from the US Embassy.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There were those in the US who used the same words to describe the situation in Vietnam just weeks before the evacuation and flight from the US Embassy.


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It is becoming increasingly an article of faith that the insurgency in Vietnam is similar enough to the insurgency in Iraq that we can draw useful lessons from the one to apply to the other. This is not the case. The only thing the insurgencies in Iraq and Vietnam have in common is that in both cases American forces have fought revolutionaries. To make comparisons or draw lessons beyond that basic point misunderstands not only the particular historical cases, but also the value of studying history to draw lessons for the present.
http://www.hoover.org/publicat.....20091.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
TrespassersW wrote:
Raibeart wrote:
There were those in the US who used the same words to describe the situation in Vietnam just weeks before the evacuation and flight from the US Embassy.


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It is becoming increasingly an article of faith that the insurgency in Vietnam is similar enough to the insurgency in Iraq that we can draw useful lessons from the one to apply to the other. This is not the case. The only thing the insurgencies in Iraq and Vietnam have in common is that in both cases American forces have fought revolutionaries. To make comparisons or draw lessons beyond that basic point misunderstands not only the particular historical cases, but also the value of studying history to draw lessons for the present.
http://www.hoover.org/publicat.....20091.html


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04.....ei=5087%0A
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Raibeart wrote:
And the weekly death toll of US/UK troops continues steadily upwards. For what?


40 acres and a mule?

Oh wait...
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Raibeart wrote:
And the weekly death toll of US/UK troops continues steadily upwards. For what?


40 acres and a mule?

Oh wait...


Yeah, it is usually an old swayback with an ass 2 axe handles wide. And 40 acres of ditch.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those ditches can be useful, flood 'em and you can grow rice.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Those ditches can be useful, flood 'em and you can grow rice.


I prefer tomatoes. Of the Roma variety preferably.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mulberry trees, now thats a good crop.
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