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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Immigration Reply with quote
We need to set some rules about immigrants.

First, we want to get the best people over here, not the worst ones as we do now. No one with a criminal record in their home country should be admitted. No one who is sick or disabled. No one who is uneducated. No one who has few or no job skills. No one who doesn't speak English. All should be on probation for 5 years. No anchor babies at all. No bringing old relatives over here, or any relatives over here. They must enter on their own right. No free passes for sick and aged relatives. Entrance is strictly competitive like the rest of life. You must have a sponsor that will guarantee with a bond that you will never become a public charge of any kind. If you ever do, this person must pay.

With these and a few hundred more restrictions we could have legal immigrants.

Preference would always be given to those who speak English as a native tongue and to those who speak, read and write English fluently.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
We dont need new rules against immigration.
We need our derelict government to enforce the ones that already exist.
Oh yes maybe some new rules, like END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.
Make it so that they cannot collect welfare here, make it so that they cannot legally worke here.
They will go home by themselves.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:

Oh yes maybe some new rules, like END BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP.


Why?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You fellas are conservatives, right? The illegal immigration issue is simple if you look at it in terms of basic economics: stop the demand, and you'll stop the supply. Go after those who employ illegals, and the illegals will have no reason to come here. Very basic. Our current President had no intention of doing this because illegals are so incredibly profitable for businesses...and quite frankly, for many people in the middle/upper class (think house painting, lawn maintenance, pool cleaning, child watching, etc.)

As for changing the legal immigration laws...absolutely. They need to reflect the realities of the 21st century economy. We don't need millions of illiterat, unskilled workers; there just isn't any place for them. We do need knowledge workers, engineers, scientists, etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
We need our derelict government to enforce laws against hiring illegal immigrants.
We do not need new laws.
They will go home on their own if they cannot work here and draw welfare.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Gothmog4 wrote:
You fellas are conservatives, right?


No.

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The illegal immigration issue is simple if you look at it in terms of basic economics: stop the demand, and you'll stop the supply. Go after those who employ illegals, and the illegals will have no reason to come here. Very basic.


Except it isn't that simple. The demand is so strong that mere legislation and law enforcement may be completely ineffective, and may only exacerbate the problem.

An example of this is illegal drugs.

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We do need knowledge workers, engineers, scientists, etc.


Did you know that we actually have a fairly low cap on the number of those folks that we allow to come here? And that, because of "security" concerns, it's such a pain in the ass that would-be immigrants are often disinclined to bother?

I do think we should change those things. There shouldn't be a cap on the number of highly educated and skilled immigrants. And we shouldn't treat them like criminals when they want to come here.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home


Good idea ... now how can they find out about any person's status? hmmm ... hey a national ID card would do it. So now you are all for a national ID card and database. Nice turn around, Turk.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home


Good idea ... now how can they find out about any person's status? hmmm ... hey a national ID card would do it. So now you are all for a national ID card and database. Nice turn around, Turk.

Fuck national id
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home


Good idea ... now how can they find out about any person's status? hmmm ... hey a national ID card would do it. So now you are all for a national ID card and database. Nice turn around, Turk.

Fuck national id


Alright, then how do you expect to "Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant" ?

Maybe they could wear armands with little yellow stars on them? or a yellow star stitched to their shirt?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home


Good idea ... now how can they find out about any person's status? hmmm ... hey a national ID card would do it. So now you are all for a national ID card and database. Nice turn around, Turk.

Fuck national id


Alright, then how do you expect to "Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant" ?

Maybe they could wear armands with little yellow stars on them? or a yellow star stitched to their shirt?


Come on fell its 2007. We should shave their heads and put a barcode on the back of their necks.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
shankarsingam wrote:
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
fellfire wrote:
Turk wrote:
All illegal immigrants must be deported immediatly
Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant so that we can start sending the illegals home


Good idea ... now how can they find out about any person's status? hmmm ... hey a national ID card would do it. So now you are all for a national ID card and database. Nice turn around, Turk.

Fuck national id


Alright, then how do you expect to "Make it so that the police can find out the status of an immigrant" ?

Maybe they could wear armands with little yellow stars on them? or a yellow star stitched to their shirt?


Come on fell its 2007. We should shave their heads and put a barcode on the back of their necks.


You are so cutting edge, shank. I'm impressed. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The fourth gothmog has a point, stop the demand, and you stop the supply, so why not make it just as appealing to live in mexico or china as it is to live in america?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
so why not make it just as appealing to live in mexico or china as it is to live in america?


Who are you asking? Are you, an Australian, asking Americans why we don't make it as appealing to live in mexico or china as it is to live here?
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