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cornopean
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
"Those willing to trade their liberty in return for security deserve neither liberty nor security." -Ben Franklin, who has a pretty good idea of what America is about. Kudos to Tesla for saying it so effectively. I believe if I were Rush Limbaugh right now, I'd say something like "this is what Americans stand for, if you don't like it you can get out." But that would be silly, there's a place here for everyone... just gonna say I'm glad cornopean isn't President.

allow me to correct your misquote.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/B.....in#Sourced

that, of course, makes Ben sound a lot more intelligent than your misquote.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: If your not doing anything wrong.... Reply with quote
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Plus, that's pretty much what the terrorists want - they want us shaking in our britches, scared into changing our way of life.

I agree that is what the terrorists want. and I agree we are going to lose on that front. but our lives are going to have to change if we are going to successfully confront this enemy. our lives had to change to confront the evil of Nazism. our lives changed again in order to confront the evil of communism. now our lives are going to have to adapt again. I don't see any way around it.


First off, thanks for fixing my quote there. But second, did we atually give up any constitutional rights to confront Nazism or Communism? I mean, besides the Red Scare, and I don't exactly believe that was necessary to cause the defeat of the Soviet Union.
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Lester
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The point they are making is that terrorism is a threat like no other, but thats what they said about communism, and it led to the Red Scare with is almost EXACTLY what we have now.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject: Re: If your not doing anything wrong.... Reply with quote
cornopean wrote:

I agree that is what the terrorists want. and I agree we are going to lose on that front.


We only have to lose on that front if people are too cowardly to sacrifice a little for their nation.

"Sacrifice what?" you might ask?
Sacrifice their false sense of security.

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but our lives are going to have to change if we are going to successfully confront this enemy. our lives had to change to confront the evil of Nazism.


Don't bring up nazism again if you want a rational conversation. Terrorism isn't even remotely comparable to the threat posed by nazi germany.

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our lives changed again in order to confront the evil of communism.


Are you suggesting that mccarthyism was a good thing?

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now our lives are going to have to adapt again. I don't see any way around it.


There is a way around it: it's called "suck it up and deal with it".

The threat to your life hasn't actually changed much. You just stopped being under the delusion that you are perfectly safe.

And even then, most people still fail to recognize the greatest threats to their lives. They shake in terror when they think of rapists and islamic radicals, but they don't think twice about driving a car or eating fattening foods. It's delusional.
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