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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:

on a side note, however, why is it legally different to pay someone for sex, and to pay someone to appear in a video in which they have sex?


Legally?

Because pornography isn't paying people to have sex - it's paying people to allow themselves to be filmed during an act of sex. First ammendment and all that.

Practically, or sensibly?

There's no difference whatsoever. Prostitution should be legal.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:

on a side note, however, why is it legally different to pay someone for sex, and to pay someone to appear in a video in which they have sex?


Legally?

Because pornography isn't paying people to have sex - it's paying people to allow themselves to be filmed during an act of sex. First ammendment and all that.

Practically, or sensibly?

There's no difference whatsoever. Prostitution should be legal.


you are correct but film or no film, the sex is only taking place because of the payment.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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exton wrote:

Legally?
Because pornography isn't paying people to have sex - it's paying people to allow themselves to be filmed during an act of sex. First ammendment and all that.

Practically, or sensibly?
There's no difference whatsoever. Prostitution should be legal.


you are correct but film or no film, the sex is only taking place because of the payment.


Well, you specified legally, and that's what the legal argument is.

If the DA tried to prosecute a porn producer for promoting prostitution, he wouldn't be able to make his case. The porn producer could certainly say, "oh, these folks were doin' it anyway. I just filmed them." And the porn actors could and would corroborate his story.

Or, he could argue "Oh, i just paid them to be here. It told them,'hey, you can have sex, or you can't. Either way, i'll just be over here with a camera'". And once again, the porn actors could and would corroborate his story.

Since it's "innocent until proven guilty", the DA can't respond with "Oh come on!" and expect to get anywhere.

Which is why i included the "Practically or sensibly" specification; the legal version is the legal one, not the sensible one. In real life, it's obviously equivilant to prostitution, even if you can't really prove it in court. Which is why i say prostitution should be legal.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Prostitution should be legal but heavily regulated and monitored to prevent abuse. Actually, legalization would decrease the violence involved and take a bit out of human trafficking.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Prostitution should be legal but heavily regulated and monitored to prevent abuse.


And the STD's. And the taxes. That's why i think it most ought to be regulated; it cna do a lot to prevent hte spread of disease, and to tax it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Prostitution should be legal but heavily regulated and monitored to prevent abuse.


And the STD's. And the taxes. That's why i think it most ought to be regulated; it cna do a lot to prevent hte spread of disease, and to tax it.
While I'm generally in favor of taxing things, I think in this case it should only be taxed to cover the cost of regulation. This is a case where many workers are entrepreneurs doing all their own labor, and really will make less money if we tax them. And the last thing a sex worker needs is money out of his/her pocket. Let them pay income tax if they can make enough money.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
exton wrote:

Legally?
Because pornography isn't paying people to have sex - it's paying people to allow themselves to be filmed during an act of sex. First ammendment and all that.

Practically, or sensibly?
There's no difference whatsoever. Prostitution should be legal.


you are correct but film or no film, the sex is only taking place because of the payment.


Well, you specified legally, and that's what the legal argument is.

If the DA tried to prosecute a porn producer for promoting prostitution, he wouldn't be able to make his case. The porn producer could certainly say, "oh, these folks were doin' it anyway. I just filmed them." And the porn actors could and would corroborate his story.

Or, he could argue "Oh, i just paid them to be here. It told them,'hey, you can have sex, or you can't. Either way, i'll just be over here with a camera'". And once again, the porn actors could and would corroborate his story.

Since it's "innocent until proven guilty", the DA can't respond with "Oh come on!" and expect to get anywhere.

Which is why i included the "Practically or sensibly" specification; the legal version is the legal one, not the sensible one. In real life, it's obviously equivilant to prostitution, even if you can't really prove it in court. Which is why i say prostitution should be legal.


totally...i was stating common sense not legalities.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 23, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
exton wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Prostitution should be legal but heavily regulated and monitored to prevent abuse.


And the STD's. And the taxes. That's why i think it most ought to be regulated; it cna do a lot to prevent hte spread of disease, and to tax it.
While I'm generally in favor of taxing things, I think in this case it should only be taxed to cover the cost of regulation. This is a case where many workers are entrepreneurs doing all their own labor, and really will make less money if we tax them. And the last thing a sex worker needs is money out of his/her pocket. Let them pay income tax if they can make enough money.


true if people who sell their bodies are taxed, the ones who are drug addicts (which is probally a lot) will not be able to fully suport their drug habits. haha

taxing "sin" industries is a good enough trade off for me. no one needs to smoke cigs, no one needs to drink, no one needs to buy hookers, no one needs to gamble, no one needs to live in a million dollar home, no one needs to drive a cadillac, etc., etc., etc. fuck it tax those things. government needs to tax in order to survive. plus the tax could help to offer social services like AA and AIDS awareness, and stuff like that...why it is not cool to cheat on your wife with hookers class...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
]While I'm generally in favor of taxing things, I think in this case it should only be taxed to cover the cost of regulation. This is a case where many workers are entrepreneurs doing all their own labor, and really will make less money if we tax them.
And the last thing a sex worker needs is money out of his/her pocket. Let them pay income tax if they can make enough money.


It's hard to say, but i suspect that it would just drive up the prices.
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