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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The united states government couldn't cover up a small break-in at a hotel; what makes you think a pharmaceutical company can stop scientists and technicians who spend their lives trying to cure disease from reporting what they've done?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well the end result would only be known by a few people for one, and big pharmecutical companies are notorious in their reputation to do ANYTHING for the money.

Besides, the united states government is dilapidated, factions work within factions, I have very little faith in most things they do.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just pasted and copied Razz


I can tell.

But straight off your headline,

If a cure to HIV was found, supressed my ass, in a capitilist society?


here is the thing why this can and probally is the case:

pharma companies spend years and years researching, developing, testing and getting approval to put drugs on the market. this costs billions of dollars and when the drug reaches the market, it is a guarantee that that drug will make tens of billions over the next few years, until the patten runs out and generic versions of the drug can be made.

if they have the cure for HIV, they are not going to go off and be like "okay fuck the billions we spent on that other drug and the billions we could make, before making billions off of the cure."

it is job security. it is when you make a billion all you can think about is how you are going to make the next billion. that is capitalism.

Its also timing, if people with aids start dying off when the patent expires, then your market isn't as big. You want to introduce it into the largest possible market.


this is true but keep in mind how many people in the world do not have AIDS and how easily it can be intentionally spread. (i.e. bayer selling asprin tainted with the HIV virus)


Now your going into conspiracy and government coverups. Highly unlikely, as soon as a competing company finds a way to get ahead with a large market, it will come out.


no, no coverup...it happened and the FDA did nothing about it.

do you seriously think that the government and corporations care about you? fuck no they don't. no company is going to release an HIV cure when they are already going to make billions for years to come off of the drugs they already have.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The united states government couldn't cover up a small break-in at a hotel; what makes you think a pharmaceutical company can stop scientists and technicians who spend their lives trying to cure disease from reporting what they've done?


that was the president's doing not the governments.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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exton wrote:
The united states government couldn't cover up a small break-in at a hotel; what makes you think a pharmaceutical company can stop scientists and technicians who spend their lives trying to cure disease from reporting what they've done?


that was the president's doing not the governments.


Mate, if there is a cure, it would come out. Either through goodwill, human greed, or pure dumb luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well the end result would only be known by a few people for one, and big pharmecutical companies are notorious in their reputation to do ANYTHING for the money.


You're thinking of a company as an individual.
Companies are not individuals. They are composed of individuals, many of whom have different goals from each other.

It's unrealistic to think that some scientists who cure HIV are going to keep the lid on it because some suit at PharmCo tells them to.

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Besides, the united states government is dilapidated, factions work within factions


Kind of like all organizations.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The united states government couldn't cover up a small break-in at a hotel; what makes you think a pharmaceutical company can stop scientists and technicians who spend their lives trying to cure disease from reporting what they've done?


that was the president's doing not the governments.


Mate, if there is a cure, it would come out. Either through goodwill, human greed, or pure dumb luck.


yea it will come out decades later after the pharma companies can not make any more money off of treatments that do not work.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
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Well the end result would only be known by a few people for one, and big pharmecutical companies are notorious in their reputation to do ANYTHING for the money.


You're thinking of a company as an individual.
Companies are not individuals. They are composed of individuals, many of whom have different goals from each other.

It's unrealistic to think that some scientists who cure HIV are going to keep the lid on it because some suit at PharmCo tells them to.

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Besides, the united states government is dilapidated, factions work within factions


Kind of like all organizations.


scientists who work for corporations are not allowed to talk about their research and their research is the property of the corporation.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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scientists who work for corporations are not allowed to talk about their research and their research is the property of the corporation.


Do you really believe that a nondisclosure agreement will stop someone from talking about a cure for HIV?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
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Well the end result would only be known by a few people for one, and big pharmecutical companies are notorious in their reputation to do ANYTHING for the money.


You're thinking of a company as an individual.
Companies are not individuals. They are composed of individuals, many of whom have different goals from each other.

It's unrealistic to think that some scientists who cure HIV are going to keep the lid on it because some suit at PharmCo tells them to.


Not because someone in a suit at PharmCO tells them too, but because someone in a suit at PharmCo kills them, sends them off to another country, gets them arrested, committed or various other things, offers them huge amounts of money, threatens their job or family.

There are all sorts of reasons, besides, they could have hired complete bastards to begin with.

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Kind of like all organizations.


Not true at all, there are lots of non-dilapidated organizations.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Not because someone in a suit at PharmCO tells them too, but because someone in a suit at PharmCo kills them, sends them off to another country, gets them arrested, committed or various other things, offers them huge amounts of money, threatens their job or family.


I know it works that way in movies, television, and fictional novels, but it almost never happens that way in real life. Mostly because the people who run companies aren't actually that evil, and a lot of them are fairly incompetant.

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There are all sorts of reasons, besides, they could have hired complete bastards to begin with.


It's hard for me to imagine someone so evil that they'd intentionally hide the cure for a disease that kills millions of people. Such people are quite rare. Curing incurable diseases is even rarer. Having both happen in the same person is so unlikely that it's not even worth considering.

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Not true at all, there are lots of non-dilapidated organizations.


No, they're all like that on one level or another. Every person has their own agenda in life. Not in an evil or nefarious sense, though. People just have their own goals.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
1. Like I think I said before, check out the movie and book 'the constant gardener' it was based on a true story, it's pretty horrific what they do.

2. You don't have to be evil to not say anything, just apathetic.

3. They're goals however, match each others.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

scientists who work for corporations are not allowed to talk about their research and their research is the property of the corporation.


Do you really believe that a nondisclosure agreement will stop someone from talking about a cure for HIV?


you better fucking believe it
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

scientists who work for corporations are not allowed to talk about their research and their research is the property of the corporation.


Do you really believe that a nondisclosure agreement will stop someone from talking about a cure for HIV?


how do you think that the ideas that these companies have both manufactured diseases and supressed the cures come from?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
[quote]It's hard for me to imagine someone so evil that they'd intentionally hide the cure for a disease that kills millions of people. [quote]

yes people are that evil.
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