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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Which could easily let these CEO's slide under the radar no?


No, because you don't need to examine individual cases. You can examine the statistics of the matter. If they have access to some super-drugs that the rest of us aren't getting, that'll show up as a substantial variation from the normal likelihood of their contracting and dying of disease (adjusted for their age, location, income bracket, etc).


But whose looking at that?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Perhaps no one.

But if you believe it's a genuine possibility, then maybe you could.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Perhaps no one.

But if you believe it's a genuine possibility, then maybe you could.


I wouldn't even know where to begin.

Can you even find out who is the heads of these companies? Legally I mean.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If they're public corporations, then definitely - all that information will be publicly available.

And even for private ones, it isn't too hard to get the names of high level executives. Just look around the web for things about the company; names are inevitably mentioned.
Their website may also indicate the highest level people.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
How would you find a list of the most powerful pharmecuetical corporations?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L....._companies

The list is organized by revenue; highest revenue on top to lowest revenue on bottom.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I just pasted and copied Razz


I can tell.

But straight off your headline,

If a cure to HIV was found, supressed my ass, in a capitilist society?


here is the thing why this can and probally is the case:

pharma companies spend years and years researching, developing, testing and getting approval to put drugs on the market. this costs billions of dollars and when the drug reaches the market, it is a guarantee that that drug will make tens of billions over the next few years, until the patten runs out and generic versions of the drug can be made.

if they have the cure for HIV, they are not going to go off and be like "okay fuck the billions we spent on that other drug and the billions we could make, before making billions off of the cure."

it is job security. it is when you make a billion all you can think about is how you are going to make the next billion. that is capitalism.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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when was the last time the head of a huge pharmecutical company died of AIDS?

last time his condom didn't work.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Lester wrote:
I just pasted and copied Razz


I can tell.

But straight off your headline,

If a cure to HIV was found, supressed my ass, in a capitilist society?


here is the thing why this can and probally is the case:

pharma companies spend years and years researching, developing, testing and getting approval to put drugs on the market. this costs billions of dollars and when the drug reaches the market, it is a guarantee that that drug will make tens of billions over the next few years, until the patten runs out and generic versions of the drug can be made.

if they have the cure for HIV, they are not going to go off and be like "okay fuck the billions we spent on that other drug and the billions we could make, before making billions off of the cure."

it is job security. it is when you make a billion all you can think about is how you are going to make the next billion. that is capitalism.

Its also timing, if people with aids start dying off when the patent expires, then your market isn't as big. You want to introduce it into the largest possible market.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Capitalism again proves itself to be hurtful, even if only theoretically at this point.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Lester wrote:
I just pasted and copied Razz


I can tell.

But straight off your headline,

If a cure to HIV was found, supressed my ass, in a capitilist society?


here is the thing why this can and probally is the case:

pharma companies spend years and years researching, developing, testing and getting approval to put drugs on the market. this costs billions of dollars and when the drug reaches the market, it is a guarantee that that drug will make tens of billions over the next few years, until the patten runs out and generic versions of the drug can be made.

if they have the cure for HIV, they are not going to go off and be like "okay fuck the billions we spent on that other drug and the billions we could make, before making billions off of the cure."

it is job security. it is when you make a billion all you can think about is how you are going to make the next billion. that is capitalism.

Its also timing, if people with aids start dying off when the patent expires, then your market isn't as big. You want to introduce it into the largest possible market.


this is true but keep in mind how many people in the world do not have AIDS and how easily it can be intentionally spread. (i.e. bayer selling asprin tainted with the HIV virus)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Lester wrote:
I just pasted and copied Razz


I can tell.

But straight off your headline,

If a cure to HIV was found, supressed my ass, in a capitilist society?


here is the thing why this can and probally is the case:

pharma companies spend years and years researching, developing, testing and getting approval to put drugs on the market. this costs billions of dollars and when the drug reaches the market, it is a guarantee that that drug will make tens of billions over the next few years, until the patten runs out and generic versions of the drug can be made.

if they have the cure for HIV, they are not going to go off and be like "okay fuck the billions we spent on that other drug and the billions we could make, before making billions off of the cure."

it is job security. it is when you make a billion all you can think about is how you are going to make the next billion. that is capitalism.

Its also timing, if people with aids start dying off when the patent expires, then your market isn't as big. You want to introduce it into the largest possible market.


this is true but keep in mind how many people in the world do not have AIDS and how easily it can be intentionally spread. (i.e. bayer selling asprin tainted with the HIV virus)


Now your going into conspiracy and government coverups. Highly unlikely, as soon as a competing company finds a way to get ahead with a large market, it will come out.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Those companies that don't already sell treatments, or who hold a very small portion of the market would snap up the opportunity of a cure in an instance.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The whole idea of such a conspiracy fails the way many others do. With a giant conspiracy, how do you keep it a secret? You can't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
But one company having the cure, you can keep that a secret, as long as you deal with the scientists in charge and the head of the company doesn't have a breakdown of morality.
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