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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Bayer Sold HIV-Risky Meds
FRANKFURT, Germany, May 22, 2003(AP) Chemical and drug maker Bayer AG said Thursday it acted "responsibly, ethically and humanely" during the 1980s in selling a blood-clotting product that stopped potentially fatal bleeding in hemophiliacs but was linked to the risk of HIV infection.

The company's statement was in response to a New York Times report that it sold millions of dollars worth of an older version of the medication in Latin America and Asia while marketing a newer, safer product in the United States and Europe.

Bayer division Cutter Biological continued selling old stocks of the medicine for more than a year after it introduced a version in February 1984 that was heat-treated to kill HIV, according to documents obtained by the Times.

The medicine, called Factor VIII concentrate, can stop or prevent potentially fatal bleeding in people with hemophilia, a genetic condition that prevents blood from clotting normally.

Early in the AIDS epidemic, the medicine was made using plasma from 10,000 or more donors. There was not yet a screening test for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, so even a small number of HIV-positive donors could taint a large pool of plasma recipients.

As a result, thousands of hemophiliacs became infected with HIV. Bayer and three other companies that made the concentrate have paid about $600 million to settle more than 15 years of lawsuits accusing them of making a dangerous product, the newspaper said.

The documents from that litigation, examined by the Times, include internal memos, minutes of marketing meetings and telexes to foreign distributors.

Bayer, based in the western German city of Leverkusen, said Cutter continued selling the older version because some customers doubted the new one's effectiveness, and because some countries were slow to approve its sale. It said there were initially concerns that heat-treating might make the drug less safe or less effective.

"Bayer has always behaved responsibly, ethically, and humanely to provide lifesaving products for the global hemophilia community," the statement said.

"Decisions made nearly two decades ago were based on the best scientific information of the time and were consistent with the regulations in place. They cannot be judged on the information available today."

The Times said at least 100 hemophiliacs in Hong Kong and Taiwan alone contracted AIDS after using the older product, and that many have since died. Li Wei-chun said her son, who died in 1996 at the age of 23, was among the victims.

"They did not care about the lives in Asia," she said. "It was racial discrimination."

Cutter also sold the older medicine in Argentina, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, and Singapore after February 1984, according to the documents. The newspaper said Cutter shipped more than 100,000 vials of unheated concentrate, worth more than $4 million, after it began selling the safer product.

The sales continued partly because of Cutter's desire to deplete stocks of the older medicine, and partly because of fixed-price contracts, for which the company believed the older product would be cheaper to make, the newspaper said.

In March 1983, the federal Centers for Disease Control warned that blood products appeared responsible for AIDS among hemophiliacs. Three months later, Cutter sent a letter to distributors in nearly two dozen nations saying that AIDS was "the center of irrational response in many countries."

In late 1984, as Hong Kong hemophiliacs began testing positive for HIV, some doctors wondered whether Cutter was sending "AIDS-tainted" medicine into less-developed nations.

But the company assured its distributor that the unheated product posed "no severe hazard" and was the "same fine product we have supplied for years."

In May 1985, Dr. Harry M. Meyer Jr., the Food and Drug Administration's blood-products official, called the companies to a meeting, believing they had broken an agreement to stop selling the older medicine, the Times said. But Meyer decided to handle the matter quietly instead of notifying the public, the newspaper said.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
fact; drug companies will do anything for profit. if you believe otherwise, you are not only ignorant, but delusional.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
http://www.edn.com/article/CA439528.html

Ten seconds of google searching. ceo + murder.


Which only serves to prove my point.

No murder took place, and the alleged plotters were apprehended by law enforcement.

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To offer the standard conspiracy theory line, thats what they want you to think, did the monopoly trial really hurt microsoft in any way? Did it hurt Bill Gates?? What it did do was create a whole bunch of free advertising, just something to think about.


What, exactly, does a monopoly trial have to do with murder for money?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
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bayer sold HIV tainted medicines:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a99637dd10&p=1


Yes they did.

That's not a conspiracy, though. They weren't out to get people who were threatening their ability to make money, or whatever.

That's an instance of gross negligence, which is quite prevelent.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
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exton,
bayer sold HIV tainted medicines:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a99637dd10&p=1


Yes they did.

That's not a conspiracy, though. They weren't out to get people who were threatening their ability to make money, or whatever.

That's an instance of gross negligence, which is quite prevelent.


they sold a product overseas after it was banned in the u.s. because they knew could give people HIV. now why would they do that? to help people?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Negligence doesn't account for it, the *knew* it was tainted and sold it anyways!

And my link was just to show you that corporations are willing to commit murder, which you previously denied, you would assume the bigger the corporation the easier it is to hide, because they have more money.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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they sold a product overseas after it was banned in the u.s. because they knew could give people HIV. now why would they do that? to help people?


To make money.

It has nothing to do with the HIV. If the FDA rejected it because it didn't have their favorite color, or something similarly stupid, they STILL would have sold it overseas.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Negligence doesn't account for it, the *knew* it was tainted and sold it anyways!


Yep.

But the taint isn't the critical factor - the government rejection is.

It doesn't matter why the government rejected it. They would have sold it overseas no matter what the reason was. It's negligence because they just didn't care.

It wasn't really malicious or evil or diabolical or anything else. It was stupid and negligent. And perhaps greedy too.

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And my link was just to show you that corporations are willing to commit murder, which you previously denied,


I previously denied that a company would intentionally assasinate someone because that someone was trying to harm their profits.

I did not claim that carelessness, negligence, stupidity, and greed don't kill people. They absolutely do, in all situations - not just in corporations.

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you would assume the bigger the corporation the easier it is to hide, because they have more money.


It works the opposite way. The smaller the corporation, the easier it is to hide. That's because very small companies are only noticed on the local level, rather than the national or multinational.

Big ones, on the other hand, are highly visible. And they have a lot of employees, any of whom may talk to the police or the press. Big companies generally have a hard time of covering things up - that's why we hear about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

they sold a product overseas after it was banned in the u.s. because they knew could give people HIV. now why would they do that? to help people?


To make money.

It has nothing to do with the HIV. If the FDA rejected it because it didn't have their favorite color, or something similarly stupid, they STILL would have sold it overseas.


they knew that the drug was tainted with HIV because it was made using blood from people before HIV testing was introduced and they still sold it.

so you are telling me fucking bayer would sell a drug that they knew could give people HIV overseas, after it was banned in america because it could give people, HIV for money; but a pharmaceutical company would release a cure for HIV and cut their losses on HIV drugs that they spent billions developing and researching that do not cure HIV, and have not been sold yet?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so you are telling me ... a pharmaceutical company would release a cure for HIV and cut their losses on HIV drugs that they spent billions developing and researching that do not cure HIV, and have not been sold yet?


No. I'm telling you that they would be unable to suppress the existence of a cure. They could certainly choose not to produce it, if they'd like to, but they wouldn't be able to keep it a secret, either.

It would inevitably be produced, if not by the drug company that found it, then by someone or something else.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:

so you are telling me ... a pharmaceutical company would release a cure for HIV and cut their losses on HIV drugs that they spent billions developing and researching that do not cure HIV, and have not been sold yet?


No. I'm telling you that they would be unable to suppress the existence of a cure. They could certainly choose not to produce it, if they'd like to, but they wouldn't be able to keep it a secret, either.

It would inevitably be produced, if not by the drug company that found it, then by someone or something else.


how about the iranian scientists saying they have found a cure for HIV?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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how about the iranian scientists saying they have found a cure for HIV?


They're probably full of shit. You get all sorts of attention whoring quacks like that.

When real scientists make real breakthroughs, they tell other scientists and have them check the results.

There's been no confirmation of this alleged cure. And since it's coming from Iran, that makes it even more dubious.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Negligience would be them not caring to find out if it was tainted, it's evil when you know and you do it anyways because it will make you money, thats killing people for money, that is evil.

But it just showed that the companies would! That ceo did!

As for lots of attention, how many people know what newscorp is? regular everyday people I mean, huge corporations can be so big people only know them through their subsidiaries, as many of the media companies are.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Negligience would be them not caring to find out if it was tainted, it's evil when you know and you do it anyways because it will make you money, thats killing people for money, that is evil.


It's wrong, but i don't think you can call it evil, because it's not malicious. They weren't INTENDING to harm people. They just didn't care one way or the other.

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As for lots of attention, how many people know what newscorp is? regular everyday people I mean, huge corporations can be so big people only know them through their subsidiaries, as many of the media companies are.


The average people know nothing. When i say "attention", i don't mean that tourists are walking through their offices and going through their filing cabinets.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
They were intending to harm people! They were intending to do it because it made them money, I don't think it's malicious, I'm sure they would have prefferred if there was no taint, and they probably didn't take pleasure in their pain, but they definately meant to hurt them, just like if I sell you apple sauce with razor blades in it I intend to hurt you, now it may not have been me that put them there, but I knew about it, and I sold the apple sauce anyways, because I wanted money and didn't care about you getting all cut up.

Then elaborate for me.
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