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Xerxes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ha we had some awesome protests rallies last time you guys were over here.


So, are they going to go ahead with the military base there? Is there public support for it?


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Little johnny? He's a bit of a pushover.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
According to some sources, The Soviet Union lost about 6.5 million dead in WW2. Some others put the figures at closer to 10 or 11 million.
Great Britain only last December paid off its last "lend/lease" loan to the USA, some 60 years after the end of WW2
Oh, were'nt the US about 4 years late before entering the fray?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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According to some sources, The Soviet Union lost about 6.5 million dead in WW2. Some others put the figures at closer to 10 or 11 million.
Great Britain only last December paid off its last "lend/lease" loan to the USA, some 60 years after the end of WW2
Oh, were'nt the US about 4 years late before entering the fray?


4 years late to an 8 year war.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:
South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, France, all of them fought in the war too.


France was defeated and stuck to terrorist attacks.
And in all honesty other than Canadian support in Normandy, I don't know what battles the others fought in.(please tell me)


All over Asia, N. Africa, Tunisia, Algeria......Are you serious? You don't know this? Ever heard of the Bataan death march?


Nope I had shitty republican history teachers.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anym wrote:
Raibeart wrote:
According to some sources, The Soviet Union lost about 6.5 million dead in WW2. Some others put the figures at closer to 10 or 11 million.
Great Britain only last December paid off its last "lend/lease" loan to the USA, some 60 years after the end of WW2
Oh, were'nt the US about 4 years late before entering the fray?


4 years late to an 8 year war.


So you showed up halfway through the movie?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Anym wrote:
Raibeart wrote:
According to some sources, The Soviet Union lost about 6.5 million dead in WW2. Some others put the figures at closer to 10 or 11 million.
Great Britain only last December paid off its last "lend/lease" loan to the USA, some 60 years after the end of WW2
Oh, were'nt the US about 4 years late before entering the fray?


4 years late to an 8 year war.


So you showed up halfway through the movie?


C'mon, everyone knows that it don't even start getting good till the halfway point. LoL
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
What if it's one of those ones where they show the endscene first?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
What if it's one of those ones where they show the endscene first?


I can't say for sure, I was not born yet. One thing that I do know is that there was a strong wave of isolationist sentiment in this country following WW1.

Veterans from that war were getting screwed, here's a link to elaborate:


http://aspin.asu.edu/hpn/archives/Apr99/0066.html

There were a lot of domestic problems here as well. And we did not want war until war wanted us. That was the last time the Congress ever officially declared war. In 1941. Idea

I believe that anyone who steps on a battlefield is a hero. Regardless of how soon we joined the war. Every person who fought in that war was from a better generation than we are. Even on the German and Japanese side there were heroes. Not the Italians, though, the could not even defeat Ethiopia. LoL
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You don't think other countries had that same thing going? It was a scary time.

What about the soldiers who rape mothers and kill children, cause yes it does happen, are they heroes? The very concept of a hero is absurd. Role model makes sense, but hero? Everyones supposed to like the same things in the one person? Yea right.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You don't think other countries had that same thing going? It was a scary time.

What about the soldiers who rape mothers and kill children, cause yes it does happen, are they heroes? The very concept of a hero is absurd. Role model makes sense, but hero? Everyones supposed to like the same things in the one person? Yea right.


Now, Lester!

I didn't say anything about raping children or killing mothers. They are animals, deserving of ill fate. The rate of court-martial hearings are going up. Unfortunately never as high up the chain of command that one might hope. A hero is someone who puts the safety of others above his own. It is applied mainly to military, firefighters etc. I didn't break out the Websters for that, I just kinda winged it.

That is why most of the soldiers in Iraq wish to stay is because you never want to leave your buddies. There is no stronger bond that can be built between two humans than in combat. It's like when you have been in a severe auto accident with someone, you tend to be bonded to that person for life. Or if you run into a burning building to save someone. That is heroism. Only the firefighter has a choice, the soldiers have no say in regards to staying or going. He only does what a soldier does, his job. He protects his buddies. There are no heroes in the Whitehouse or Congress.

Note: Unless the auto accident was that persons fault-(Scott!!)-

And as I am sure you know by now that I think this war is a huge steaming pile of monkey crap. And should pull out to the periphery like Murtha says and let the inevitable happen.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
So anyone who steps onto the battlefield is *not* neccesarily a hero?

Most people call someone willing to weight his life less than others an idiot.

What about love?? I would sure hope that is stronger than the bond you get after you blow the head off another human with your buddy.

A soldier always has a choice, no-one can make you fire the gun.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
So anyone who steps onto the battlefield is *not* neccesarily a hero?


That is true, yes. There are acts of cowardice as well as heroism when the lead starts flyin'

Lester wrote:
Most people call someone willing to weight his life less than others an idiot.


If what you say is true then one man's idiot is another man's hero. Like one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Lester wrote:
What about love?? I would sure hope that is stronger than the bond you get after you blow the head off another human with your buddy. A soldier always has a choice, no-one can make you fire the gun.


There is no love in war, in fact, it is yin and yang. There is only the love OF war. And that love is not held by soldiers, it is held by the politicians who send them there and don't have to fight in it. Soldiers are trained to blow heads off, that is what they do. Or at least that's what I would want my soldiers to be proficient at. A soldier does have a choice, yes. Do nothing and let you and your buddies get their heads off or....mount that weapon soldier, and help protect the platoon.

Did I mention the giant pile of steaming monkey crap thing?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
1. I'm just saying your original statement seemed a bit broad.

2. And one mans trash is another mans treasue. I prefer to idolize those people who are no-ones idiot.

3. Yes, but love *outside* war would be stronger, I would hope. Thats not the choice they have, before they even get sent on assignment they can say their not doing it and they go to military prison, personally I choose that over murder.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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3. Yes, but love *outside* war would be stronger, I would hope. Thats not the choice they have, before they even get sent on assignment they can say their not doing it and they go to military prison, personally I choose that over murder.


Then I will vote for you when you run for president.
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