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Patriot
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: G.W. Bush Reply with quote
I support Bush. Many of his ethics and views on morals are also mine. But is there a feeling by any othe Conservatives out there that he is selling us out? I remember his first term was great. He was somebody I wanted leading my country. But the past few years is there a slight feeling that he has abandoned his original supporters just to appease the left? Your thoughts?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
He is so F'ed. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Everything is blamed on him, personally. I feel sorry for him that his presidency will be measured by the war for eternity. He has done many great things, but they will never be recognized due to this"war".
I do like him, I feel compelled to support him although I am way more conny than he. Its tough shit to be the prez.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I dont think he is necessarly fucked. I think he has handled a few things too timidly therefor the Libs see that and attack him more. He isnt as evil as everybody says he is, but he's no Ronald Reagan.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Indeed, but nonetheless, F'ed.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Things aren't as simple as you would like to believe.

You do realize Bush is not conservative, right?

If you do believe that, please explain.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I still support Bush, but not nearly as much as I used to. His response to 9/11 (the one that wasn't set up by our own Government [/sarcasm]) was far beyond admirable. Personally, I think he's a good president (though we would be far better off with a truly Conservative President), but those of us that do are in a very small minority. If he tries to please the Liberals, the Conservatives despise him, if he tries to please the real Conservatives, the Liberals despise him. Nothing he does will ever make everyone happy.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
AmericanBloodBrother wrote:
I still support Bush, but not nearly as much as I used to. His response to 9/11 (the one that wasn't set up by our own Government [/sarcasm]) was far beyond admirable. Personally, I think he's a good president (though we would be far better off with a truly Conservative President), but those of us that do are in a very small minority. If he tries to please the Liberals, the Conservatives despise him, if he tries to please the real Conservatives, the Liberals despise him. Nothing he does will ever make everyone happy.


No shit. At least you have enough intelligence to admit he isn't conservative. Most people get defensive when I say that and it just further proves that they have no idea what they are talking about. Kudos for that.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
corey michael wrote:
AmericanBloodBrother wrote:
I still support Bush, but not nearly as much as I used to. His response to 9/11 (the one that wasn't set up by our own Government [/sarcasm]) was far beyond admirable. Personally, I think he's a good president (though we would be far better off with a truly Conservative President), but those of us that do are in a very small minority. If he tries to please the Liberals, the Conservatives despise him, if he tries to please the real Conservatives, the Liberals despise him. Nothing he does will ever make everyone happy.


No shit. At least you have enough intelligence to admit he isn't conservative. Most people get defensive when I say that and it just further proves that they have no idea what they are talking about. Kudos for that.


And for that same reason I will not vote for McCain or Giuliani. I'm tired of everyone putting on the Conservative pin, but do nothing to show any values of true Conservatism.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
BTW, in my last American History course my teacher whom is a socialist actually got mad at me because I told her ol' GW wasn't Conservative. God knows what she would rant about if we weren't in Iraq right now, that's all she complains about.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I support Bush still. Of course it isn't as much as it used to be though, he is being much to timid. When thinking about these things you also have to put into consideration the alternative if such things as the 2004, or any recent, election went differently. Would it be better if we had somebody like Gore, Clinton, Kerry, or Dean as the leader of our country? I think not.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
haywood wrote:
He is so F'ed. He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Everything is blamed on him, personally. I feel sorry for him that his presidency will be measured by the war for eternity. He has done many great things, but they will never be recognized due to this"war".
I do like him, I feel compelled to support him although I am way more conny than he. Its tough shit to be the prez.

My feelings exactly on Bush. People only focus on the war, which is semi-understandable, but there are many other things he has done that have benefitted the country.

And yes, it is obvious that he is not a conservative. More of a hawkish moderate if he has to be labeled.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Moses3 wrote:
I support Bush still. Of course it isn't as much as it used to be though, he is being much to timid. When thinking about these things you also have to put into consideration the alternative if such things as the 2004, or any recent, election went differently. Would it be better if we had somebody like Gore, Clinton, Kerry, or Dean as the leader of our country? I think not.



Kerry and Bush are cousins, no? Regardless, they are brothers under the Skull and Bones and if you don't know the significance of that, I recommend you look into it.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's no secret I am a liberal, but don't worry I'm not gonna get mean in here lol. For those of you that say that Bush has done alot of good things for this country outside of the war, could you please specify what those are? Personally I think he has screwed up alot of things for this country, but in the other group that I am in liberals and conservatives just can't seem to get along.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
corey michael wrote:
Moses3 wrote:
I support Bush still. Of course it isn't as much as it used to be though, he is being much to timid. When thinking about these things you also have to put into consideration the alternative if such things as the 2004, or any recent, election went differently. Would it be better if we had somebody like Gore, Clinton, Kerry, or Dean as the leader of our country? I think not.



Kerry and Bush are cousins, no? Regardless, they are brothers under the Skull and Bones and if you don't know the significance of that, I recommend you look into it.


Yes you are very right and I do understand the significance of that very much. Dare I say it comes down to who's personal opinions you trust and/or are most comforatable with?....Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I would personally be much more content with a truly Conservative President than with Bush. At least someone who believes in small government and sticks to that has a political belief that people need freedom, not regulation, and that the government has a very limited role in domestic and foreign affairs. While I personally feel that government assistance for the disadvantaged is important, I have more respect for someone who wants to avoid it to keep taxes low and the economy free than someone who wants to keep taxes low and finance a war on borrowed money. At least the weakened dollar that comes with so much national debt is good for our export market... but shouldn't small government come with a small, cheap, less active military? Whatever you say about the war in Iraq, it was clearly a war of choice, not a military operation necessary to our survival as a nation, and I think an advocate of low taxes and small government should oppose such things. Also, a true Conservative favoring the free market would be against subsidies for major oil companies. I think a real, old school Conservative would have the nation in a better situation than the one we see today. Thoughts?
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