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Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes, and if he doesn't have enough recognition, the party won't think he can win.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:
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It's a popularity contest, if he's as unknown as he is now he won't get it.


It's a popularity contest in which he's already very popular amongst republicans and conservatives.


Just republicans can't win the election.


Very true. I thought we were talking about the primaries with Rudy. My apologies if I misunderstood.


Well if you can't win the election your not gonna be voted in during the primaries now are you?


Those two don't exactly always correlate.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:
TheGreatNeoCon wrote:
Lester wrote:
TheGreatNeoCon wrote:
Lester wrote:
It's a popularity contest, if he's as unknown as he is now he won't get it.


It's a popularity contest in which he's already very popular amongst republicans and conservatives.


Just republicans can't win the election.


Very true. I thought we were talking about the primaries with Rudy. My apologies if I misunderstood.


Well if you can't win the election your not gonna be voted in during the primaries now are you?


Those two don't exactly always correlate.


They do quite often though, or at least they shoudl, if the party is smart.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
TheGreatNeoCon wrote:
Lester wrote:
TheGreatNeoCon wrote:
Lester wrote:
TheGreatNeoCon wrote:
Lester wrote:
It's a popularity contest, if he's as unknown as he is now he won't get it.


It's a popularity contest in which he's already very popular amongst republicans and conservatives.


Just republicans can't win the election.


Very true. I thought we were talking about the primaries with Rudy. My apologies if I misunderstood.


Well if you can't win the election your not gonna be voted in during the primaries now are you?


Those two don't exactly always correlate.


They do quite often though, or at least they shoudl, if the party is smart.


Just all depends on who is the best fundraiser.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
These are usually the people who can win the election, looks aren't everything, but they're a whole heck of a lot.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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(WASHINGTON — Michael Kranish) The day before Senate Watergate Committee minority counsel Fred Thompson made the inquiry that launched him into the national spotlight — asking an aide to President Nixon whether there was a White House taping system — he telephoned Nixon’s lawyer.

Thompson tipped off the White House that the committee knew about the taping system and would be making the information public. In his all-but-forgotten Watergate memoir, "At That Point in Time," Thompson said he acted with "no authority" in divulging the committee’s knowledge of the tapes, which provided the evidence that led to Nixon’s resignation. It was one of many Thompson leaks to the Nixon team, according to a former investigator for Democrats on the committee, Scott Armstrong , who remains upset at Thompson’s actions.

"Thompson was a mole for the White House", Armstrong said in an interview. "Fred was working hammer and tong to defeat the investigation of finding out what happened to authorize Watergate and find out what the role of the president was".

Asked about the matter this week, Thompson — who is preparing to run for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination — responded via e-mail without addressing the specific charge of being a Nixon mole: "I’m glad all of this has finally caused someone to read my Watergate book, even though it’s taken them over thirty years".

The view of Thompson as a Nixon mole is strikingly at odds with the former Tennessee senator’s longtime image as an independent-minded prosecutor who helped bring down the president he admired. Indeed, the website of Thompson’s presidential exploratory committee boasts that he "gained national attention for leading the line of inquiry that revealed the audio-taping system in the White House Oval Office". It is an image that has been solidified by Thompson’s portrayal of a tough-talking prosecutor in the television series "Law and Order".

But the story of his role in the Nixon case helps put in perspective Thompson’s recent stance as one of the most outspoken proponents of pardoning I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Just as Thompson once staunchly defended Nixon, Thompson urged a pardon for Libby, who was convicted in March of obstructing justice in the investigation into who leaked a CIA operative’s name.

Thompson declared in a June 6 radio commentary that Libby’s conviction was a “shocking injustice . . . created and enabled by federal officials.” Bush on Monday commuted Libby’s 30-month sentence, stopping short of a pardon.

The intensity of Thompson’s remarks about Libby is reminiscent of how he initially felt about Nixon. Few Republicans were stronger believers in Nixon during the early days of Watergate.

Thompson, in his 1975 memoir, wrote that he believed "there would be nothing incriminating" about Nixon on the tapes, a theory he said "proved totally wrong."

"In retrospect it is apparent that I was subconsciously looking for a way to justify my faith in the leader of my country and my party, a man who was undergoing a violent attack from the news media, which I thought had never given him fair treatment in the past," Thompson wrote. "I was looking for a reason to believe that Richard M. Nixon, President of the United States, was not a crook."

Thompson was a little-known assistant US attorney in Tennessee when the Watergate investigation in Congress got underway. He had served as campaign manager for the successful 1972 reelection of Senator Howard Baker, a powerful Tennessee Republican.

When the Senate Watergate Committee was established in 1973, Baker became the ranking Republican member and brought Thompson to Washington to serve as minority counsel. Baker, who has been among those now urging Thompson to seek the presidency, did not return a call seeking comment.

John Dean , Nixon’s former White House counsel, who was a central witness at the hearings, said he believed that Baker and Thompson were anything but impartial players. "I knew that Thompson would be Baker’s man, trying to protect Nixon," Dean said in an interview.

The website of Thompson’s presidential exploratory committee, imwithfred.com, suggests that Thompson helped reveal the taping system and expose Nixon’s role in the Watergate coverup. And while Thompson’s question to presidential aide Alexander Butterfield during a Watergate hearing unveiled the existence of the taping system to the outside world, it wasn’t Thompson who discovered that Nixon was taping conversations. Nor was Thompson the first to question Butterfield about the possibility.

On July 13, 1973, Armstrong, the Democratic staffer, asked Butterfield a series of questions during a private session that led up to the revelation. He then turned the questioning over to a Republican staffer, Don Sanders, who asked Butterfield the question that led to the mention of the taping system.

To the astonishment of everyone in the room, Butterfield admitted the taping system existed.

When Thompson learned of Butterfield’s admission, he leaked the revelation to Nixon’s counsel, J. Fred Buzhardt .

"Even though I had no authority to act for the committee, I decided to call Fred Buzhardt at home" to tell him that the committee had learned about the taping system, Thompson wrote. "I wanted to be sure that the White House was fully aware of what was to be disclosed so that it could take appropriate action."

Armstrong said he and other Democratic staffers had long been convinced that Thompson was leaking information about the investigation to the White House. The committee, for example, had obtained a memo written by Buzhardt that Democratic staffers believed was based on information leaked by Thompson.

Armstrong said he thought the leaks would lead to Thompson’s firing. "Any prosecutor would be upset if another member of the prosecution team was orchestrating a defense for Nixon," said Armstrong, who later became a Washington Post reporter and currently is executive director of Information Trust, a nonprofit organization specializing in open government issues.

Baker, meanwhile, insisted that Thompson be allowed to ask Butterfield the question about the taping system in a public session on July 16, 1973, three days after the committee had learned about the system.

The choice of Thompson irked Samuel Dash , the Democratic chief counsel on the committee, who preferred that a Democrat be allowed to ask the question. "I personally resented it and felt cheated," Dash wrote in his memoirs. But he said he felt he had “no choice but to let Fred Thompson develop the Butterfield material” because the question initially had been posed by Sanders, a Republican staffer.

When Dash told Thompson on the day of the hearing that he had agreed to let Thompson ask the question that would change US history, Thompson replied: "That’s right generous of you, Sam."

So it was, at the hearing, that Thompson leapt into the national spotlight:

"Are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the president?" he asked Butterfield during the national televised hearings.

"I was aware of listening devices, yes, sir," Butterfield responded.

Even as he quizzed Butterfield during the hearing, Thompson said later, he believed the tapes would exonerate Nixon, so he saw no problem in pressing for their release. It was after Thompson heard Nixon incriminate himself on the tapes that Thompson finally decided that Nixon was a crook — and stopped be ing a Nixon apologist.

"Looking back, I wonder how I could have failed to realize at once . . . the significance of the tapes,” Thompson wrote. “I realized that I would probably be thinking about the implications of Watergate for the rest of my life."




It sure seems to me that these pathetic Nixon administration refugees just keep popping up. Same old fucking faces, just different names.....We are fucked.
http://www.commondreams.org/ar.....7/04/2286/
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
These things don't matter to these people....
Just like with Rumsfeld and Reagan with Saddam
they Made Saddam into the monster he was and they still drank the Koolaid
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's the NWO.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
hgary2003 wrote:
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No Thanks, I will stick with my first choice.



Nothing against Ron Paul, but he just isn't what America needs right now, I honestly believe Fred Thompson is.


The Liberals won't like Thompson, AT ALL!


As a matter of fact, I'm sure they will like Thompson even less than they like Bush, but that is fine, if that is the case then it will show he is doing something right.


I will stand beside Fred Thompson, and hope for the best!


Is fred to the right of where cheney stands?



I'm not sure I totaly understand your question there, but Fred is in fact on the side of the RIGHT.

And what I like the most about him is this, like myself he isn't one that cares about making the people happy, over doing his job, and doing it RIGHT the first time.. If winning votes ever means he will ever have to kiss anyone's ass, then he will never get elected, so don't worry about it, that is just the way he is, and that is why I like him.


What's the RIGHT thing? Hopefully the Constitution. Fred Thompson should stick to Law and Order and let Ron Paul do the job.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What's the RIGHT thing? Hopefully the Constitution. Fred Thompson should stick to Law and Order and let Ron Paul do the job.


Couldn't have said it better myself, without using the terms right-wing death squads, Cocaine or a shitty hollywood actor turned president. Some people just don't have a clue, Zack. They would not know the correct presidential candidate if they got bit in the ass by one of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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What's the RIGHT thing? Hopefully the Constitution. Fred Thompson should stick to Law and Order and let Ron Paul do the job.


Couldn't have said it better myself, without using the terms right-wing death squads, Cocaine or a shitty hollywood actor turned president. Some people just don't have a clue, Zack. They would not know the correct presidential candidate if they got bit in the ass by one of them.


Not some the vast majority.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It's the NWO.


What does Hulk Hogan have to do with this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Anym wrote:
Lester wrote:
It's the NWO.


What does Hulk Hogan have to do with this?


New World Order?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
And Everything.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd just like to share this bit from richard nixon, about thompson:

Nixon was disappointed with the selection of Thompson, whom he called "dumb as hell." The president did not think Thompson was skilled enough to interrogate unfriendly witnesses and would be outsmarted by the committee's Democratic counsel.

"Oh shit, that kid," Nixon said when told by his chief of staff, H.R. Haldeman, of Thompson's appointment on Feb. 22, 1973.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200.....IXwZ7MWM0F
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