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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You are taking a subjective....


You are kinda missing my point. These pics are the most intruiging things that we have seen from orbit around Mars, no? Then, why would we send our rovers anywhere else on the entire planet? Can we not collect the exact same data from these areas that we are collecting in the places that we did send them? Air, soil, geology etc. Cydonia sits on the edge of a long-extinct ocean. Would that not be worthy of further examination alone? Yet they send the rovers as far from there as possible. Ooh, look at the pretty open desert and a crater. Oh, yeah, and some pretty rocks. That is all.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You tell me. If you had the choice of studying this:

Or this:

Which do you think is more worthy of study? My beef is that they don't even make the effort.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, chances are pretty good that it is a duck?


A duck covered in mud that crapped itself in a dying bowel movement after being raped to death by other ducks, perhaps.

Or it could be fertilizer. Maybe even duck-shaped fertilizer.

Or a duck covered in fertilizer.

Or a fertilizer-shaped duck, 'cause it got ground up in a wood chipper.

Something that looks like shit and smells like shit could, in fact, be any number of things. Especially when you're only looking at this shit in grainy photos taken from space.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:
fellfire wrote:
You are taking a subjective....


[b]You are kinda missing my point. These pics are the most intruiging things that we have seen from orbit around Mars, no?


And you are missing HIS point: those things are only intriguing because you want them to be intriguing.

Objectively, they aren't particularly intriguing compared to other things on mars.

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Then, why would we send our rovers anywhere else on the entire planet?


Like i said: those sites are not unusually intriguing, objectively speaking.

However, here is the reasoning for the sites chosen:

The selection of Meridiani Planum and Gusev crater as the Mars Exploration Rover landing sites took over 2 years, involved broad participation of the science community via four open workshops, and narrowed an initial ∼155 potential sites (80–300 Ч 30 km) to four finalists based on science and safety. Engineering constraints important to the selection included (1) latitude (10°N–15°S) for maximum solar power, (2) elevation (less than −1.3 km) for sufficient atmosphere to slow the lander, (3) low horizontal winds, shear, and turbulence in the last few kilometers to minimize horizontal velocity, (4) low 10-m-scale slopes to reduce airbag spin-up and bounce, (5) moderate rock abundance to reduce abrasion or strokeout of the airbags, and (6) a radar-reflective, load-bearing, and trafficable surface safe for landing and roving that is not dominated by fine-grained dust. The evaluation of sites utilized existing as well as targeted orbital information acquired from the Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey. Three of the final four landing sites show strong evidence for surface processes involving water and appear capable of addressing the science objectives of the missions, which are to determine the aqueous, climatic, and geologic history of sites on Mars where conditions may have been favorable to the preservation of evidence of possible prebiotic or biotic processes. The evaluation of science criteria placed Meridiani and Gusev as the highest-priority sites. The evaluation of the three most critical safety criteria (10-m-scale slopes, rocks, and winds) and landing simulation results indicated that Meridiani and Elysium Planitia are the safest sites, followed by Gusev and Isidis Planitia.

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossr.....2074.shtml
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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However, here is the reasoning for the sites chosen:
    The selection of Meridiani Planum and Gusev crater.....


Exton, I am fully aware of the Why they chose the sites. Reasons that don't add up. Things that can be determined at the Cydonia site are listed on that list of objectives. Kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Maximize your time, money and effort. If you want to look for life on a planet, past or present, do you first start looking for structures or do you look at rocks and microbes all day.

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And you are missing HIS point: those things are only intriguing because you want them to be intriguing.


It is you who is missing the point.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Exton, I am fully aware of the Why they chose the sites. Reasons that don't add up. Things that can be determined at the Cydonia site are listed on that list of objectives.


Read the whole thing. Note the latitude requirement.

Cydonia is outside of the latitude that they could use.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The center of that strip is these coordinates. 40.86° N, 9.91° W (USGS MDIM Coordinates):


Right my point exactly! The site that they chose (10°N–15°S) was for maximum solar power. Is that the only place on Mars where you could acheive max solar power. I say not. There were 2 rovers any way.

First one landed at Gusev Crater, a possible former lake in a giant impact crater sits at 15 degrees latitude south of Mars' equator at longitude 184.7 degrees west.

And the second rover landed at the Meridiani Planumis a plain located 2 degrees south of Mars' equator. I say that they could also have entered into the atmosphere from a northern latitude and had good solar energy. If they wanted to, that is.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mars is like earth - the closer you get to the equator, the more sunlight you get. and, similarly,the farther you get from the equator, the less sunlight you get.

No, they could not have gone farther north and gotten the same amount sunlight.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And you're forgetting something rather important: those don't look like alien artifacts. They look like natural formations. Nasa isn't going to risk 800 million dollars for an interestingly shaped pile of dirt.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And you're forgetting something rather important: those don't look like alien artifacts. They look like natural formations. Nasa isn't going to risk 800 million dollars for an interestingly shaped pile of dirt.


SEVERAL somethings. You act like that pyramid is the only pyramid. There are sites of interest all over Cydonia. Look at the overview of the area.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I did. Nothing there looks like it is of alien construction.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I did. Nothing there looks like it is of alien construction.


Well, just keep marveling at the pretty rocks and the methane.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Until we get there and determine what these things are it's just a picture that resembles a face
....we as humans are wired to see faces with the minimal of resemblance...ie: the man in the moon
the face of St Mary that pops up in Toast every month or so ... usually somewhere in Kansas or Oklahoma somewhere
we see faces where there really isn't anything there at all
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Joeyjock is right, the mind loves to find faces, out of anything and everything.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yep, and pyramidal-type structures and shiny tube worm looking thingies. What was I thinking. I should have realized that my brain was programmed to see all of those things.
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