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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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They are pyramidal structures featuring straight lines.

Like i said: give quantifiable reasons for your claim that they are nothing like the mars things.


They are on the side of a cliff, and not free-standing objects.


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The discovery of Cydonia. Cydonia was discovered by scientist long before Hoagland had anything to do with the theory and investigation:
http://www.tmgnow.com/reposito.....ordan.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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They are on the side of a cliff, and not free-standing objaects.


What? That doesn't make any sense, looking at the pictures i posted...
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Xerxes wrote:

They are on the side of a cliff, and not free-standing objects.


What? That doesn't make any sense, looking at the pictures i posted...
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pssst, xerxes, you didn't type a response...
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Pssst, xerxes, you didn't type a response...


It is not the same. It is not a clearly defined. You wonder how I look at that thing on Mars and see a pyramid. And I wonder the same about the you and the horn. Yes, both have a point on top, but a horn has no equal flat sides. Plus, I am getting tired of the micro-arguing that was going on. I will return to this thread. In the meantime, tell me why they don't send the rovers to look at not only the pyramids, but the tubes as well, or any of the sites held in contention?
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two reasons:

-The robots are rather far away from those sites.
-Those sites are not "in contention" by anyone with any academic credibility. Actual scientific examination does not show the presence of anything indicative of intelligent life.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Two reasons:
1)The robots are rather far away from those sites.
2)Those sites are not "in contention" by anyone with any academic credibility. Actual scientific examination does not show the presence of anything indicative of intelligent life.


1)The Rovers could be placed anywhere that they wish to bounce it.
2)This is not in contention?? If I were in any kind of position at NASA this would be the first place that I would send my cameras!!! Notice the sun glinting off the "tube" in the top left.. Glass?

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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1)The Rovers could be placed anywhere that they wish to bounce it.


...yes, but NASA has things of *real* scientific interest to look at on mars.

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2)This is not in contention?? If I were in any kind of position at NASA this would be the first place that I would send my cameras!!!


...i know that. But, like i said, there is no scientifically valid reason for believing that any of those things constitute the products of intelligent life. These ideas that you subscribe to have no factual basis, just a lot of hand-waving and confirmation bias.

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Notice the sun glinting off the "tube" in the top left.. Glass?


I don't see any sun glinting. What are you talking about?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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1)The Rovers could be placed anywhere that they wish to bounce it.

exton wrote:
...yes, but NASA has things of *real* scientific interest to look at on mars.

Like boring ass flat planes and a bunch of rocks and dirt.
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2)This is not in contention?? If I were in any kind of position at NASA this would be the first place that I would send my cameras!!!

exton wrote:
...i know that. But, like i said, there is no scientifically valid reason for believing that any of those things constitute the products of intelligent life. These ideas that you subscribe to have no factual basis, just a lot of hand-waving and confirmation bias.

No basis huh? Hand waving. You can't be serious. Are you telling me that all of the things that I have poste look like natural formations, for real?
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Notice the sun glinting off the "tube" in the top left.. Glass?

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I don't see any sun glinting. What are you talking about?

Last pic I posted. Follow the left vein about halfway up between the branch and where it disappears back into the ground and notice the sunlight and how it reacts to the tube. It is in fact sunlight too, because it stretches out across the tube. Are you and I the only ones participating in this thread, because you suck as an inquisitive-type person. If-it-is-not- -printed-in-textbooks-it-don't-exist kinda guy. Or, something. No offense, of course.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Like boring ass flat planes and a bunch of rocks and dirt.


It's not as glamorous as hunting for alien ruins, but it's a lot more relevent where understanding mars and its history is concerned.

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[b]No basis huh? Hand waving. You can't be serious. Are you telling me that all of the things that I have poste look like natural formations, for real?


Yes, that is exactly what i am telling you.

It's easy to look at something - anything - and see the hand of intelligence involved. That's part of being human; we naturally try to empathize with other humans and we naturally frame things in our minds in terms of being the products of people, doing things, for reasons.

That doesn't help a person understand the universe as it is, though. In order to do that, it's necessary to see things as they are; it's necessary to try to strip away assumptions and subjective thoughts and emotions, when observing things. Only through doing that will things present themselves as they are, rather than as we want them to be.

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Last pic I posted. Follow the left vein about halfway up between the branch and where it disappears back into the ground and notice the sunlight and how it reacts to the tube. It is in fact sunlight too, because it stretches out across the tube.


If i'm looking at what you're looking at...and i think i am...then no, i wouldn't say that's a reflection from glass. It doesn't look anything like a glass reflection.

Of course, it still might be a glass reflection. But it's not possible to determine that from an image of such poor quality.

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Are you and I the only ones participating in this thread, because you suck as an inquisitive-type person. If-it-is-not- -printed-in-textbooks-it-don't-exist kinda guy. Or, something. No offense, of course.


None taken.

If it makes you feel any better, not even the textbooks escape my scrutiny.

And i think you're using the wrong words. Or, framing my mindset incorrectly. I'm not being less inquisitive - i'm being more inquisitive.

When it comes to things like this, i ask questions that seek to discredit the idea at hand. The point of that being, if it can defeat easy scrutiny, then maybe there's something to it.

But it doesn't. It crumbles under scrutiny.

I love the idea of aliens, personally. I'm a hard-core science fiction fan. If i live long enough, that's exactly what i want to spend my life on; i want to explore the universe in search of those things.

I don't let my desire to find alien civilizations get in the way of my learning the truth about things, though. If i want aliens, i want them to be real aliens. I'll settle for nothign less than the genuine artifact. If i want to muse and imagine, that's fine, and it's easy. But it shouldn't get in the way of seeing the objective truth about a matter.

And don't go thinking that i reject these notions that you bring up because they're too out there. That's not it at all; these claims, as far as ideas about aliens go, are very, very mundane.

I really do doubt these claims on their own merits. They just fail to stand up to scrutiny.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
How can you scrutinize it when you don't even go over to examine it? You have scrutinized nothing. Unless you are right there looking at something you can not scrutinize it. You, like myself can only speculate about what it is. Myself being a huge fan of sci-fi I tend to think a little further ahead of the possibilities curve. It is what it looks like. Anyone who reads this can finish this sentence to reflect their own personal views.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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How can you scrutinize it when you don't even go over to examine it? You have scrutinized nothing.


I have scrutinized the ideas and evidence presented for them. That's all anyone can ever do.

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Unless you are right there looking at something you can not scrutinize it. You, like myself can only speculate about what it is.


Incomplete information is always a given. You can still draw intelligent conclusions based on what you have, provided you understand that those cocnlusions are subject to change.

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Myself being a huge fan of sci-fi I tend to think a little further ahead of the possibilities curve. It is what it looks like.


In reality, things are often not what they subjectively look like.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, chances are pretty good that it is a duck?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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So, if it looks like shit and it smells like shit, chances are pretty good that it is a duck?


I have to agree with exton. You want to see alien construction thus you see things the are constructed by aliens on mars. I see natural formations that with grainy photos could be construed as created by intelligent design. In that way I am in agreement with all credible science on the subject.

You are taking a subjective look at this rather then an objective look at it as evidenced by your insistance that some conspiracy must have taken place, e.g. not landing rovers at these spots, in the scientific community to discredit these "claims" of alien construction on Mars.

You queried about others involved in this thread ... I have been reading your exchange with exton, just haven't posted because I find myself in complete agreement with him.
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