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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'm talking about the crater sphere. what are you talking about?


Oh, that. I was talking about the crater Dome/Titlest XLT golf ball thingy. but in regards to the 5 sides I was taliking about it was the "pyramid" the first one w/ the sun on it to accentuate. Cool


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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You're confusing "jumping to unfounded conclusions" with "thinking outside of the box".

The thought process that you're defending goes like this:
"Hmm. That's an interesting shape. Can i think of a way that it could happen on it's own? Uhhhh....nope. Must be aliens!"

That is *not* the same as the thought process that led to the adoption of alternating current. It's not even remotely similar. Tesla had very good reasons for prefering alternating current. Reasons that could be justified mathematically and experimentally. He *wasn't* thinking "gee, I kinda like current that ALTERNATES better than current that doesn't. Yeah, that feels more right."
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
These are not my conclusions. I have more questions BY FAR than I do answers. These are the founded conclusions of Richard C. Hoagland. You can't question his credentials. He was working for NASA when your parents were teenagers. He has a long list of scientific cadre that back his conclusions. And still to this day has friends and colleagues within NASA and JPL. He was Walter Cronkite's go-to NASA guy for years. His is privvy to a lot of un-edited film, not to mention pissed off NASA employees that can only rebel by going to Richard C. Hoagland. Hoagland and NASA have bumped heads on several occasions. Google it. They have called him a kook. He has called them liars and obfuscators.

I put my money on the rogue scientific community.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thats actually kinda erotic..


Besides being erotic, what do you think? Life on Mars, that is more than just microbial?


I doubt it, it's very cold.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
+ 1 F, ( -17.2 C) to -178 F (-107 C). However, the temperature of the surface at the winter polar caps drop to -225 F, (-143 C) while the warmest soil occasionally reaches +81 F (27 C) as estimated from Viking Orbiter Infrared Thermal Mapper. VL=Viking Lander:

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http://www-k12.atmos.washingto.....rview.html
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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[b]These are not my conclusions. I have more questions BY FAR than I do answers. These are the founded conclusions of Richard C. Hoagland. You can't question his credentials.He was working for NASA when your parents were teenagers.


Oh, but i can question his credentials.
He's not a scientist. He's a museum curator.

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He has a long list of scientific cadre that back his conclusions. And still to this day has friends and colleagues within NASA and JPL. He was Walter Cronkite's go-to NASA guy for years.


...no. He was a minor fact checker for cronkite during apollo 1, and cronkite regrets that.

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His is privvy to a lot of un-edited film, not to mention pissed off NASA employees that can only rebel by going to Richard C. Hoagland. Hoagland and NASA have bumped heads on several occasions. Google it. They have called him a kook. He has called them liars and obfuscators.
I put my money on the rogue scientific community.


Have you read about all his beliefs? I don't care whether or not he's a scientist, really - his theories are bullshit either way. He's a total hack.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Actually he did steal and has stolen from Zecharia Sitchin the "Mars Concept". Sitchin wrote his first book in 70'showing the Sumerian cylinder seals. Hoagland has the pics, though. I don't care where he stole them from either. It is your opinion that he is a hack. He has many supporters. He is not the only one who says this stuff about Mars.

We are talking about Mars not the rest of his theories. I never agree with 100% of what anyone says.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It is your opinion that he is a hack.


He comes up with far-out theories that are not backed up by science, reason, or evidence. He promotes these wacky ideas with a very poorly designed website, gives it an important-sounding name, and uses it to make money. He lies and misleads about both his credentials and accomplishments.

Definitely a hack.

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He has many supporters. He is not the only one who says this stuff about Mars.


That's irrelevent - the number of supporters he has can not and does not change the truthood or falsehood of his claims.

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We are talking about Mars not the rest of his theories. I never agree with 100% of what anyone says.


You know what else he thinks about mars? He thinks that mankind is descended from martians that migrated to earth.
That is a demonstrably false assertion. It's stupid.

Really, even just his ideas about mars are nonsense.

Wiki has a good list of his ideas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....d#Theories
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Xerxes wrote:
+ 1 F, ( -17.2 C) to -178 F (-107 C). However, the temperature of the surface at the winter polar caps drop to -225 F, (-143 C) while the warmest soil occasionally reaches +81 F (27 C) as estimated from Viking Orbiter Infrared Thermal Mapper. VL=Viking Lander:

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http://www-k12.atmos.washingto.....rview.html


Thats cold.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Natural Occurrences:

These were all caused by erosion. The top two were found under wind erosion, the Rainbow Bridge was caused by water erosion.

Naturally formed balls:
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
And in all of those photo's you do not see one straight line. Sphere's abound but no straight lines.
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This photo was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft on 05-Apr-2007. The complete image is centered at 40.7 degrees latitude, 350.5 degrees East longitude. The range to the target site was 299.4 km (187.1 miles). Is it a face, or just the Virgin Mary spotted on a scone?
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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And in all of those photo's you do not see one straight line. Sphere's abound but no straight lines.


That pyramid isn't straight either, and I'll contend that there ARE straight lines in nature - look at the horizon (preferably at sea), look at crystals.. these are straight. Also look at sedimentary rock.. straight.

Here's a site to validate this:
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The D&M Pyramid, processed using the "official" version of THEMIS IR Cydonia image (left)
and the "real" version (right). Note the similarity in color distribution on both images, and the unmistakable
structural details of the D&M itself in the "real" version. Both images composited, color ratioed, and decorrelation stretched
using ENVI 3.5 image enhancement software.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you are at sea, looking at the horizon or in the middle of the desert you can see the curvature of the earth.

Straight lines in nature:
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/.....n99430.htm
Or:
http://www.dailyom.com/articles/2005/393.html
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