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JoeysAngyl
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Explainations On Liberal Misconception??? Reply with quote
Alright, so I am pretty sure that I am not the only liberal that has experienced this, and everytime it leaves me baffled. In another group that I am in when debates occur many of the conservatives resort to calling liberals, "pinko", "commi", and "socialist".

Is there anyone liberal or conservative, that can explain to me why there are some conservatives out there that latch on to this misconception anytime they are in a debate? I've asked before and well "because you're a pinko" just doesn't cut it... really reasons are always better lol.
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corey michael
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Its ad hominen. When people lack the intelligence to debate your ideas with their own rational ideas, they often resort to attacking the other persons character. Considering the Greeks originally created a term for this debate tactic, it is nothing new. If someone starts attacking your character during a debate, consider it won.
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greenmother
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
People will always bash what they don't understand. We can't change them, but we can educate them as to what a liberal is and what we stand for. Just continue to fight the fight and remember we are all behind you. Very Happy
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Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am a commie, so you know, when they say it to me they're right, but it's strange that a supporter of a political viewpoint is used as a derogatory term..
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Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am a commie, so you know, when they say it to me they're right, but it's strange that a supporter of a political viewpoint is used as a derogatory term..
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alligirl78
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
I am a commie, so you know, when they say it to me they're right, but it's strange that a supporter of a political viewpoint is used as a derogatory term..


People who use it as slander are asserting a negativity used during the McCarthy era--where people were blacklisted and evenput to death for allegedly being "communist". Even tying into the meaning used during the Cold War i.e. communism means you aren't patriotic or somehow don't support America.

Sad really, that some haven't moved past that.
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Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's not just that either, it moved onto hostilities with Cuba and vietnam, the slander really derives by people who claim other are communist when they really are not.

No true communism government has ever been implemented.
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JoeysAngyl
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just don't get it. I don't see communism as a bad thing to begin with, but there are people that are out there that can't even distinguish the difference between a liberal and a communist to begin with. I just wanted to get others views on this, since well in most cases it just makes me laugh that people can't accept that I or someone else may have a different view of things.
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CryxicKiller
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The misconception often runs both ways. I've often found many self-proclaimed liberals who do not actually know what liberalism is. This is probably more an issue with the given sociopolitical context rather than pure ignorance. In the American system, these terms take diverging routes from their historical predecessors or from other countries. For example, many "conservative" principles are actually liberal in spirit and content: desire for small government, free-market economics, and so on. Those are all principles of classical liberalism disguised in American political discourse as conservative values, or something to that effect.

Modern liberalism, of course, picked up on some of the faults of its classical counterpart after World War I and the Great Depression and corrected them. But the two, modern and classical liberalism, are fundamentally the same. They both invoke the Fundamental Principle of Liberalism to permit the extension of liberalism as a sociopolitical solution, namely that liberty is essentially normative and that the onus of proof is on those wishing to deny liberty. From that you go on to derive all the famous liberal principles: that humans are rational, that they are fundamentally good-natured, and that they are capable of change. That's liberalism. Conservatism in recent history has been a reaction to this doctrine; it wasn't really "formalized" until Edmund Burke wrote against the French Revolution, which unleashed some of the liberal principles proposed by Locke and other Enlightenment philosophers.

There really are few substantive differences between American conservatives now and classical liberals some 100 years ago. And because classical liberalism came first, presumably all future followers should be characterized in its (legendary) colors. So the next time a conservative calls you a "commi" or whatever, just remind them who they really are.
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JoeysAngyl
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
heh heh Cryx that is great... the be honest with you, I don't know all of the specifics when it comes to conservatives, but you have shed just a bit of light on the subject for me.
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greenmother
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have to agree. I am happy to know that there are people who are willing to educate the masses. I thought that I knew exactly what being liberal meant, you have helped me to be able to help others understand the difference and helped me to be more clear in my explanations to others when they ask my why I choose to call myself a liberal. Very Happy
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greenmother
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have to agree. I am happy to know that there are people who are willing to educate the masses. I thought that I knew exactly what being liberal meant, you have helped me to be able to help others understand the difference and helped me to be more clear in my explanations to others when they ask me why I choose to call myself a liberal. Very Happy
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