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Lester
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Indeed.

Suppose that the things that you can put on walls are different paintings - you couldn't accurately say that those bare walls themselves are paintings.


Unless the arrangement of those paintings formed a mosaic that fell under the catergory of a painting.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Even then, you still couldn't say that the walls are paintings. All you could say is that particular sets of paintings correspond to yet other paintings.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well yes, the analogy is flawed, the wall would have to be made out of the paintings.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In which case it wouldn't be something that you could hang paintings on.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you say that not a single miricale in the bible cant be supported by scientific evidence then you must never watch the Discovery channel and the National Geographic channel. One of the storys in the bible that I like to use most is the storys of Sodom,and Gomorrah I watched a show the other day where they found these two citys both of them completly charred to the ground by fire from brimstone I dont know where to look to find the information that they use on them shows but if you dont believe me you should try Also you can Wikipedia it to find more about the story
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Ah, yes, but if that is the case, then black can not be the absense of color.


black and white both are the absense of color because they dont reflect color and the are not clasified as colors
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: NO! Reply with quote
Hell no Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mckmatt wrote:
If you say that not a single miricale in the bible cant be supported by scientific evidence then you must never watch the Discovery channel and the National Geographic channel. One of the storys in the bible that I like to use most is the storys of Sodom,and Gomorrah I watched a show the other day where they found these two citys both of them completly charred to the ground by fire from brimstone I dont know where to look to find the information that they use on them shows but if you dont believe me you should try Also you can Wikipedia it to find more about the story


Here are some really interesting angles on Sodom and Gomorrah:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/ourpast.htm

Or:
http://www.space-2001.net/html/nuclear.html

And:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/.....r+war.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mckmatt wrote:
If you say that not a single miricale in the bible cant be supported by scientific evidence then you must never watch the Discovery channel and the National Geographic channel. One of the storys in the bible that I like to use most is the storys of Sodom,and Gomorrah I watched a show the other day where they found these two citys both of them completly charred to the ground by fire from brimstone


Assuming i believed that (which i don't), it is still insufficient for a miracle.

I'm quite willing to believe that two cities burned down. But that's quite different from saying god did it to punish them for their sins.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mckmatt wrote:

black and white both are the absense of color because they dont reflect color and the are not clasified as colors


White isn't necessarily a color in and of itself, depending on how you think of it, but it's what you get when all colors are reflected.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
In which case it wouldn't be something that you could hang paintings on.


No, but it would be something you could put paintings in, and you can put things in nothing.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which was not part of the analogy.

If you could rephrase it with this new development, that would be helpful.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
There is a wall made of paintings, now the wall itself isn't a painting, unless of course, the paintings create a mosaic when placed in the order they're in.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, now you've lost me altogether. I don't know what anything in that analogy is supposed to correspond to.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
The same things they corresponded to before.
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