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Lester
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's not a logical contradiction, there are certain characteristics colours have, both black and white have these characteristics, therefore, they are colours.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah, yes, but if that is the case, then black can not be the absense of color.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Whyever not?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
...because there is no color in the absence color. That's what "the absence of color" means.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
it's not 'in' it, it 'is' it.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
'In', used in this context, does not mean 'in this location'. It means 'with this set of circumstances'.

Really, i'm game for discussing the nuances of a particular idea or word, but at some point you're going to have to start communicating instead of nitpicking the particular syntax that other people choose to use.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No I realised thats what you meant, the statement stands.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then i fail to understand your statement.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It *is* the set of circumstance right? it's not subject to the confines of that set, because it is the set.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Still not understanding.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If a house is empty, as in there is nothing in it's walls, that doesn't mean that the walls themselves do not exist.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Indeed.

Suppose that the things that you can put on walls are different paintings - you couldn't accurately say that those bare walls themselves are paintings.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am in college and I dident say what I believe about abortion but I left it very open ended if you read it correctly.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If the sun was darkend out you would die if the sun went away you would die it wouldent matter anyway would it?


Humanity could survive a nuclear winter (which is what happens when a huge meteor hits the earth).

Humanity could not survive the disappearance of the sun.

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Science is not something man made or discoverd it is part of life from the very beging.


Science is a methodology for learning about the natural universe - it is very much a man-made thing. Nothing more and nothing less.

The things that science discovers are facts about the natural universe - those are not man-made.

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what we have now is a product of electricity and mechanics to say that scientific studies were not around even before Jesus is just stupid they called them "Philosophers" back then ohh they dident use science they just studied and learned?


Pretty much.

Did you believe that those philosophers came up with mostly correct ideas?

They didn't.

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How do you think they knew the world was round before anyone ever went all the way around it? was umm luck no chance no they used Science.


No, they used ingenuity.

They knew what a sphere looked like, and they could imagine what it would seem like to be standing on a very large sphere.

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You say look at what we have now you know what we have now because of Science that they dident have a hundred years ago millions of superly obese people people with alshiemers and people with diabetes


Science only makes discoveries about the natural universe. It doesn't force people to use its discoveries responsibly.

People are fat because the human body stores fat for energy, in case of a famine. Since famines don't happen in developed nations (thanks to modern agricultural technology), people get fat, because they don't restrict their diets. They do what they're programmed to do - eat as much as possible in case of a famine.

Type 2 diabetes is a result of obesity and unhealthy eating habits.

Alzheimers has always been around. Since people take much longer to die than they used to, we see alzheimer's more often, because the likelihood of developing it increases with age.

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And if scintist have it all figured out then why do people still die,


Who said science has it all figured out?

I certainly didn't.

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why would death be a part of evoultion? Something that lives to die dosent make much since, if there is no where to go afterwards


That's because, evolutionarily speaking, living is not the point of life. Reproducing is the point of life. The natural life span of an organism has to with how it's able to reproduce. Some species live a long time and reproduce every now and then for the whole while. Others live for a very, very short amount of time and spend almost that entire period of time reproducing.

That doesn't mean that reproduction is the purpose of life as far as we concerned; that's just how it works in an evolutionary sense.


I dont understand why you people only choose to believe certain facts that can be backed up with science and completly discredit the bible as a historical source when much of what is in the bible can be backed up by archological findings. In the bible it talked about the Dannites and how they helped build the Ark of the Covenant and how many of you believe that existed, and when they dig up around where the Danites were they find golden images of the Ark and the inside of the tent where it was kept when they had no reason to even make them
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I dont understand why you people only choose to believe certain facts that can be backed up with science and completly discredit the bible as a historical source when much of what is in the bible can be backed up by archological findings.


First, science is not about believing. Science is about understanding.

I don't accept certain facts because scientists say so. I accept those facts because i understand how and why they work. I can reproduce the evidence proving their validity. There's no wishful thinking of any sort involved.

Second, not a single supernatural occurance in the bible is supported by archaeological evidence.

No one is saying that stories about jews wandering deserts, or about jesus preaching in temples, are completely absurd.

It's when jesus walks on water and moses parts the waters of a sea that people get skeptical. And with good reason - there's no reason to believe either of those things, or any other such supernatural events, ever occured.

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In the bible it talked about the Dannites and how they helped build the Ark of the Covenant and how many of you believe that existed, and when they dig up around where the Danites were they find golden images of the Ark and the inside of the tent where it was kept when they had no reason to even make them


I wasn't able to find any information about dannites building arks.

But, suppose it's true - suppose they did.

So what? I can make a box too. Does that mean that i've done so under the direct instruction of god?
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