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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If the sun was darkend out you would die if the sun went away you would die it wouldent matter anyway would it?


Humanity could survive a nuclear winter (which is what happens when a huge meteor hits the earth).

Humanity could not survive the disappearance of the sun.

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Science is not something man made or discoverd it is part of life from the very beging.


Science is a methodology for learning about the natural universe - it is very much a man-made thing. Nothing more and nothing less.

The things that science discovers are facts about the natural universe - those are not man-made.

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what we have now is a product of electricity and mechanics to say that scientific studies were not around even before Jesus is just stupid they called them "Philosophers" back then ohh they dident use science they just studied and learned?


Pretty much.

Did you believe that those philosophers came up with mostly correct ideas?

They didn't.

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How do you think they knew the world was round before anyone ever went all the way around it? was umm luck no chance no they used Science.


No, they used ingenuity.

They knew what a sphere looked like, and they could imagine what it would seem like to be standing on a very large sphere.

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You say look at what we have now you know what we have now because of Science that they dident have a hundred years ago millions of superly obese people people with alshiemers and people with diabetes


Science only makes discoveries about the natural universe. It doesn't force people to use its discoveries responsibly.

People are fat because the human body stores fat for energy, in case of a famine. Since famines don't happen in developed nations (thanks to modern agricultural technology), people get fat, because they don't restrict their diets. They do what they're programmed to do - eat as much as possible in case of a famine.

Type 2 diabetes is a result of obesity and unhealthy eating habits.

Alzheimers has always been around. Since people take much longer to die than they used to, we see alzheimer's more often, because the likelihood of developing it increases with age.

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And if scintist have it all figured out then why do people still die,


Who said science has it all figured out?

I certainly didn't.

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why would death be a part of evoultion? Something that lives to die dosent make much since, if there is no where to go afterwards


That's because, evolutionarily speaking, living is not the point of life. Reproducing is the point of life. The natural life span of an organism has to with how it's able to reproduce. Some species live a long time and reproduce every now and then for the whole while. Others live for a very, very short amount of time and spend almost that entire period of time reproducing.

That doesn't mean that reproduction is the purpose of life as far as we concerned; that's just how it works in an evolutionary sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nothing is the absence of things, doesn;t mean it can't be a something in it's own self.


Of course it does. The absence of thigns means the absence of things! You can't have no things present and have one thing present both at the same time.


The absence of colour is a colour.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Strictly speaking, it isn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This article is about the color black
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Read the second sentence in the article.

Scientifically black is not a hue (color); a black object absorbs all the colors of the visible spectrum and reflects none of them, this is sometimes confused with black being called 'a mixture of all colors' but that is not the case.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yet it is still called a colour.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You can call it a color. But does that make it a color? Perhaps in your mind it does, but it doesn't follow logically, so i don't see how much weight your mere say-so can carry on the matter.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It has all the characteristics of a colour.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
...in which case it cannot be said to be the absence of color.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
We've had this argument before.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Probably.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's basically the nothing arguemnt.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Which is why you brought it up in the first place, i presume.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not really, it's just clear to me that black is a colour.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
You believe something that is clearly a logical contradiction?
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