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exton
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spider Jerusalem wrote:
exton wrote:
Why? The scenario he describes involves you (and the rest of us) being dead or destitute.

Only the weak, stupid, and those that allow it to happen. If anyone tried to accuse me of rape I'd shoot them in the face, and thier panzyass family members who tried to mug me.

Self-sufficietcy. Something no amount of tax dollars can cover.


Shoot them in the face? With what gun? What ammo?

We've got a lot of ammo now, but it wouldn't last if we were to stop producing it.

Civilization is what makes gun manufacturing possible. It gives you things like insulation, running water, and sewage treatment too.

You'd have to assail people with a sling or a club, in the world you imagine. But you wouldn't get the chance, because your tribe would banish or execute you first - someone as petty and individualistic as yourself is a liability in a raw survival sort of situation.
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PeaceLoveandRockNRoll
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Spider Jerusalem wrote:
As realistic as your scenario is I can't help but prefer that over what we have now. There are only two universal languages in this world.

Money and violance.

What one can't solve, the other surely can.


Money doesn't solve anything if nothing backs it up. We have currency because a government prints it and ensures its worth. And part of the value of it is that it's rarely stolen from you. Reverting to might makes right as you suggest, the only universal language will be violence. And no matter how self sufficient you are, what do you do when 20 people break down your door and shoot YOU while you sleep? Just because a bunch of people who hate you (like the members of the forum, were we as violently oriented as you yourself appear to be) want you hurt or dead, does that make it right? Do you believe that anyone not strong enough to defend themself doesn't deserve to live? You'd need a whole lot of friends to be safe in that situation... in other words, you need a violent gang all intimidated by the same big, mean person. And what is that? that's right, you've got government! except it's a lot less fair and helpful and useful than the one we have now.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 25, 2006 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Spider Jerusalem wrote:
As realistic as your scenario is I can't help but prefer that over what we have now. There are only two universal languages in this world.

Money and violance.

What one can't solve, the other surely can.


Money doesn't solve anything if nothing backs it up. We have currency because a government prints it and ensures its worth. And part of the value of it is that it's rarely stolen from you. Reverting to might makes right as you suggest, the only universal language will be violence. And no matter how self sufficient you are, what do you do when 20 people break down your door and shoot YOU while you sleep? Just because a bunch of people who hate you (like the members of the forum, were we as violently oriented as you yourself appear to be) want you hurt or dead, does that make it right? Do you believe that anyone not strong enough to defend themself doesn't deserve to live? You'd need a whole lot of friends to be safe in that situation... in other words, you need a violent gang all intimidated by the same big, mean person. And what is that? that's right, you've got government! except it's a lot less fair and helpful and useful than the one we have now.


Maybe he wants to go back to the direct trade ideo, kinda like a anarco-socialist. Wants everyone to "work" for the good of each other, but could you please explain to me how that would work.
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CryxicKiller
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes I also do not understand the intrinsic features of 'anarcho-conservative' ideology. Please explain that, and while you're at it also tell us why the odd choice for the name.
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Turk
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Liberal
Freedom
limited government
government exists to protect the rights of american individuals not corporations and special groups.
Our founding fathers were classic liberals
the real liberals.
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Lynx
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
This thread is a year old.

I am glad you latched onto a term I taught you though. Finally. Smile

And I really don't think you are a classical liberal. You support measures that fight against corporations and their control and use government to protect American workers over foreign workers (tariff and the like), which is not something classical liberals or today's "classical liberals" would do. You're like a weird libertarian, progressive mix. Some people call that a Kos Libertarian.
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fellfire
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A "Kos Libertarian", that explains a lot. I would label it "Sloganeering libertarian" ... lots of slogans, no real substance.
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