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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:01 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
Colin Powell and Madeline Albright are. Care to show that the others are members? Having a site keep a bio on you or giving a speech to an organization does not make you a member. (What did Fred Thompson's link have anything to do with Council on Foreign Relations?)

And I didn't bother to click the YouTube links. Use a reliable source.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:59 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
haha, some times it's not good to over analyze things, but if we want to get into the specifics,


It IS under Leadership & Staff.. all those bios that you are saying doesn't make them involved. Also, if you were to look a little closer, maybe you could analyze it, too, you'd see that they've written for CFR, how interesting..

Dick Cheney admits being a member of CFR right here and he even admits being the director of it for a period, too.

http://www.cfr.org/publication.....3Fpage%3D2

"VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Well, Les, Pete, I want to thank you all for the warm welcome today. I see a lot of old friends in the room. And itís good to be back at the Council on Foreign Relations. As Pete mentioned, Iíve been a member for a long time, and was actually a director for some period of time. I never mentioned that when I was campaigning for reelection back home in Wyoming (laughter) but it stood me in good stead.
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John Edwards, co-chair of the task force:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9997/#author

Borack, Guliani, and Romney have had their stuff published by CFR:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/campaign2008

Just to make sure, I just e-mailed CFR asking for a list of members.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:59 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
Refused wrote:
haha, some times it's not good to over analyze things, but if we want to get into the specifics,


It IS under Leadership & Staff.. all those bios that you are saying doesn't make them involved. Also, if you were to look a little closer, maybe you could analyze it, too, you'd see that they've written for CFR, how interesting..

Dick Cheney admits being a member of CFR right here and he even admits being the director of it for a period, too.

http://www.cfr.org/publication.....3Fpage%3D2

"VICE PRESIDENT CHENEY: (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Well, Les, Pete, I want to thank you all for the warm welcome today. I see a lot of old friends in the room. And itís good to be back at the Council on Foreign Relations. As Pete mentioned, Iíve been a member for a long time, and was actually a director for some period of time. I never mentioned that when I was campaigning for reelection back home in Wyoming (laughter) but it stood me in good stead.
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John Edwards, co-chair of the task force:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/9997/#author

Borack, Guliani, and Romney have had their stuff published by CFR:

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/special/campaign2008

Just to make sure, I just e-mailed CFR asking for a list of members.
good one
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:31 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
Get back to the point that you never seem to have. So what if these political figures are members? See that's the problem you have with classic conspiracy theories - all you have is a list of names and a 'sly wink and nod of the head'. Like that somehow proves something. It doesn't even conjecture anything.

What are you saying? That Jerry Falwell, Dick Cheny, Barak Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Gulianni, Mitt Romney, etc etc etc are ALL out to destroy the soveriegnty of this nation because they are members of the CFR?

And just What planet are you from?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:32 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
They are helping push the North American Union you close your eyes to.


What are the problems with classic conspiracy theories? There are a lot of realistic conspiracy theories, the problem with you is that you've already conditioned yourself to think conspiracy theorists are kooks, even though you probably are one yourself, you just fail to realize it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:43 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
I believe that all conspiracy theorists are kooks until they provide some thoughtful and serious evidence. This is why I think you are a kook, but do not think all 9/11 theorists are kooks (though I don't believe them either; they just make good arguments).

You realize you haven't provided a lick of proof other than to say "these people are part of it", right?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:26 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
And he hasn't given any shred of an idea of how these people who are part of "it" can "push" us into "losing our sovereignty".

Is there anything that doesn't scare you, Refused? I mean you are worried about this North American Union ... shouldn't you be more afraid of the leader of the North Pole who, apparently, has the capacity to circumnavigate the globe in a super fast stealth vehicle (or else NORAD is in on it!) and the capability to infiltrate any residence in the world. Now that is something to be concerned about. Bu-wah-ha-ha ... or should I say ho-ho-ho?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:19 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
fellfire wrote:
And he hasn't given any shred of an idea of how these people who are part of "it" can "push" us into "losing our sovereignty".

Is there anything that doesn't scare you, Refused? I mean you are worried about this North American Union ... shouldn't you be more afraid of the leader of the North Pole who, apparently, has the capacity to circumnavigate the globe in a super fast stealth vehicle (or else NORAD is in on it!) and the capability to infiltrate any residence in the world. Now that is something to be concerned about. Bu-wah-ha-ha ... or should I say ho-ho-ho?


Even the free trade agreements take away freedom from people.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:21 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
Lynx wrote:
I believe that all conspiracy theorists are kooks until they provide some thoughtful and serious evidence. This is why I think you are a kook, but do not think all 9/11 theorists are kooks (though I don't believe them either; they just make good arguments).

You realize you haven't provided a lick of proof other than to say "these people are part of it", right?


When you suspect that Al-Quieda has come to blow up America because they hate our freedom, that really is a conspiracy theory. Heck, the FBI can't even provide enough evidence Osama Bin Laden even did the attacks.


When someone suspects that poor people robbed a bank in order to get money, that's a conspiracy theory.

Are you saying that you're a kook?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:57 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
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When you suspect that Al-Quieda has come to blow up America because they hate our freedom, that really is a conspiracy theory. Heck, the FBI can't even provide enough evidence Osama Bin Laden even did the attacks.


See:

Lynx wrote:
I believe that all conspiracy theorists are kooks until they provide some thoughtful and serious evidence.


There's plenty of evidence that it was Al-Qaeda. So no, I am not a kook.

It's hilarious that you aren't even going to TRY and prove any of this. You're wasting my time. Good day.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:29 am† †Post subject: Reply with quote
I think refused is saying that the motive you've placed behind Al-Quaeda is wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:58 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
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I think refused is saying that the motive you've placed behind Al-Quaeda is wrong.


And you see, there is a problem Refused may have - attributing action to motive. There is plenty of evidence that Al-Queda was behind the attacks on 911, no matter what their motive was. It isn't a conspiracy theory when there are facts you can point to.

Refused and Turk have only shown that some people are members of the CFR and that the CFR promotes trans-national governments. Those motives (for whatever motivates them) are not actions - there is no evidence of a shady illuminati hiding in the bowls of the CFR building acting to steal away our soveriegnty. THUS, it is a conspiracy theory.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:51 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
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Colin Powell and Madeline Albright are. Care to show that the others are members? Having a site keep a bio on you or giving a speech to an organization does not make you a member. (What did Fred Thompson's link have anything to do with Council on Foreign Relations?)

And I didn't bother to click the YouTube links. Use a reliable source.

Look up CFR on wikipedia or google fred thompson is a member
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:52 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
fellfire wrote:
Get back to the point that you never seem to have. So what if these political figures are members? See that's the problem you have with classic conspiracy theories - all you have is a list of names and a 'sly wink and nod of the head'. Like that somehow proves something. It doesn't even conjecture anything.

What are you saying? That Jerry Falwell, Dick Cheny, Barak Obama, John Edwards, Rudy Gulianni, Mitt Romney, etc etc etc are ALL out to destroy the soveriegnty of this nation because they are members of the CFR?

And just What planet are you from?

That is not out of line to suggest it
there is evidence to suggest
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:54 pm† †Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:
I think refused is saying that the motive you've placed behind Al-Quaeda is wrong.


And you see, there is a problem Refused may have - attributing action to motive. There is plenty of evidence that Al-Queda was behind the attacks on 911, no matter what their motive was. It isn't a conspiracy theory when there are facts you can point to.

Refused and Turk have only shown that some people are members of the CFR and that the CFR promotes trans-national governments. Those motives (for whatever motivates them) are not actions - there is no evidence of a shady illuminati hiding in the bowls of the CFR building acting to steal away our soveriegnty. THUS, it is a conspiracy theory.


[edit] Some corporate members
Some of the corporate members follow, most whom are Fortune 500.

ABC News
Alcoa
American Express
AIG
Bank of America
Bloomberg
Boeing
BP
Chevron
Citigroup
Coca Cola
De Beers
Deutsche Bank
ExxonMobil
FedEx
Ford Motor
General Electric
GlaxoSmithKline
Google
Goldman Sachs
Halliburton
Heinz
Hess
IBM
JP Morgan Chase
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
Lehman Brothers
Lockheed Martin
MasterCard
McGraw-Hill
McKinsey
Merck
Merrill Lynch
Motorola
Nasdaq
News Corp
Nike
Pepsi
Pfizer
Shell Oil
Sony Corporation of America
Tata Group
Time Warner
Total S.A.
Toyota Motor North America
UBS
United Technologies
United States Chamber of Commerce
U.S. Trust Corporation
Verizon
Visa [32]

[edit] Notable current Council members
Madeleine Albright (former United States Secretary of State)
Barack Obama (2008 Presidential Candidate)
Rudy Giuliani (2008 Presidential Candidate)
Sandy Berger (United States National Security Advisor under President Bill Clinton)
Michael R. Bloomberg (Current Mayor of New York City)
Bill Brock (former Republican United States Senator from Tennessee)
Tom Brokaw
Rick Warren
Edgar Bronfman (a member of the Bronfman dynasty, president of the World Jewish Congress)
Ethan Bronner (deputy foreign editor of The New York Times)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (United States National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter)
Jonathan S. Bush (healthcare CEO, son of Jonathan Bush, brother of NBC entertainment reporter Billy Bush)
Jimmy Carter
Dick Cheney
Warren Christopher (former United States Secretary of State)
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton (2008 Presidential candidate)
Peggy Dulany (fourth child of David Rockefeller)
Lawrence Eagleburger ( former United States Secretary of State under President George H. W. Bush)
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr.
Noah Feldman (academic and author)
Mikhail Fridman (Russian oligarch, International Advisory Board member)
Thomas Friedman (journalist, The New York Times)
Robert M. Gates (United States Secretary of Defense, former Director of Central Intelligence)
Leslie Gelb
Alan Greenspan (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Gary Hart (former Democratic U.S. Senator representing Colorado, Council for a Livable World chairman, advisory board member for the Partnership for a Secure America)
Chris Heinz (Heir to the H. J. Heinz Company ketchup fortune)
Warren Hoge (American journalist)
Angelina Jolie (UN Goodwill Ambassador)[33]
Vernon Jordan (close advisor to President William J. Clinton)
Robert Kagan (cofounded Project for the New American Century)
John Kerry
Henry Kissinger
Irving Kristol (founder of American neoconservatism, Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute)
Paul R. Krugman
John McCain
Paula Zahn - news media, formerly an anchor on CNN
John D. Negroponte (United States Deputy Secretary of State, former Director of National Intelligence, former U.S. ambassador to Honduras)
Stan O'Neal (Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc.)
Henry Paulson (United States Treasury Secretary)
Richard Pipes (father of founder/director of Middle East Forum Daniel Pipes)
Norman Podhoretz (former editor-in-chief of "Commentary", senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, Project for the New American Century (PNAC) signatory)
Steve Poizner (California businessman and Republican politician)
Colin Powell (former United States Secretary of State, former National Security Advisor, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Charles Prince (chief executive officer of Citigroup)
Condoleezza Rice
Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico, 2008 Presidential Candidate
Keith A. Ridley, IV
Alice Rivlin (economist, former U.S. cabinet member)
David Rockefeller, Jr.
John D. Rockefeller, IV
Charlie Rose
Karenna Gore Schiff (daughter of Al Gore)
Brent Scowcroft (United States National Security Advisor under Presidents Gerald Ford and George H. W. Bush)
George Shultz (former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury, former United States Secretary of Labor)
Ron Silver (actor, director, producer, cofounded the organization One Jerusalem)
Walter B. Slocombe (former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy)
George Soros
Jonathan Soros
Lesley Stahl
Fred Thompson (2008 Presidential candidate)
Paul Volcker (former Chairman of the Federal Reserve)
Barbara Walters
Steven Weinberg (American physicist)
John C. Whitehead (chairman of the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, former United States Deputy Secretary of State under Ronald Reagan, former Goldman Sachs chairman)
Shirley Williams, Baroness Williams of Crosby (International Advisory Board member)
Adam Wolfensohn
James D. Wolfensohn (former president of the World Bank)
Paul Wolfowitz (former president of the World Bank, former U.S. Deputy Secretary of Defense)
James Woolsey (former Director of Central Intelligence and former head of the Central Intelligence Agency)
Robert Zoellick (President of the World Bank)
Courtesy of Wikipedia
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