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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
Its too bad that the Gops rep has been destroyed by neocons.
The GOP needs to straighten out and ababdon the neocons, the GOP is not about global war mongering inperialists, or entitlement state, GOP needs to return to classic conservativism.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Its too bad that the Gops rep has been destroyed by neocons.
The GOP needs to straighten out and ababdon the neocons, the GOP is not about global war mongering inperialists, or entitlement state, GOP needs to return to classic conservativism.


Yea whatever happend to staying out of other countries problems?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
"We are the friends of liberty everywhere, but the insurers of only our own"

I believe that was Lincoln, but my american history is so rusty a good sneeze could knock it down.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:13 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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Yea whatever happend to staying the fuck out of other countries problems?


I have no problem in interfering in other countries.

But that's not what's happened. We've not interfered in the problems of others - we've created problems for others. We went looking for a fight.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 1:22 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
Turk wrote:
Its too bad that the Gops rep has been destroyed by neocons.
The GOP needs to straighten out and ababdon the neocons, the GOP is not about global war mongering inperialists, or entitlement state, GOP needs to return to classic conservativism.

imperialists?........which country are we trying to take over?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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........which country are we trying to take over?


In case you haven't been watching the news lately, they've been trying to con the american public into invading iran.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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........which country are we trying to take over?


In case you haven't been watching the news lately, they've been trying to con the american public into invading iran.

well I hope we do bomb Iran but no oone is advocating taking it over and making it the 51st state. bombing another country is not imperialism.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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bombing another country is not imperialism.


No, but invading it and installing permanant bases inside of it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 6:31 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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cornopean wrote:
bombing another country is not imperialism.


No, but invading it and installing permanant bases inside of it is.


Eh... semantics. And secondly, nobody is talking about installing a permanent base either. Have we done that in Iraq? Afghanistan? Correct me if im wrong, but I only think we have temp bases there too.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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exton wrote:

No, but invading it and installing permanant bases inside of it is.


Eh... semantics.


Installing permanant military bases in a foreign country is not "semantics".

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And secondly, nobody is talking about installing a permanent base either. Have we done that in Iraq? Afghanistan?


I don't know about afganistan, but we did in iraq.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I was referring to the difference of intalling a permanent base and absorbing a country into an empire as being semantics. Thanks for the correction by the way, which bases are they?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The republican party has been hijacked by the neocon agenda hook line and sinker because it's been blindly following the catastrophic policies of the Bush admin
The neocons>>>>>The Bushes the Cheneys and all the rest of the ilk are a new radical regime in American politics
Take a look at the Policy for the New American Century
www.newamericancentury.org
These men believe in American imperialism
and to answer the question thats come up --- we ARE building a huge embassy...base complex in Iraq
The largest embassy complex in the world[/url]
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Thanks for the correction by the way, which bases are they?


I have no idea. Here's an article about them:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040323-enduring-bases.htm
(you can find many more via google)

Here's a website that claims to show their locations, but as it's a lobbying website, i'm skeptical:
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
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Patriot wrote:
exton wrote:

No, but invading it and installing permanant bases inside of it is.


Eh... semantics.


Installing permanant military bases in a foreign country is not "semantics".

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And secondly, nobody is talking about installing a permanent base either. Have we done that in Iraq? Afghanistan?


I don't know about afganistan, but we did in iraq.


In all fairness, this can't be called imperialism until we start exploiting the resources; human and raw.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Classic Conservatism and Neoconservatism Reply with quote
exton wrote:
cornopean wrote:
bombing another country is not imperialism.


No, but invading it and installing permanant bases inside of it is.

wrong. imperialism is when you make another country part of your own. like what Hitler did to Austria and Czech
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