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Lester
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Church and State. Reply with quote
There should be separation, I think everyone can agree on that, but is there? How entwined is the government into the working of the bible? Or is it just that the majority of voters are christian and so the politicians just play to their constituents?

We need to watch how close our government gets to a theocracy.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:27 am    Post subject: Re: Church and State. Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
There should be separation, I think everyone can agree on that, but is there? How entwined is the government into the working of the bible? Or is it just that the majority of voters are christian and so the politicians just play to their constituents?

We need to watch how close our government gets to a theocracy.


It's very evident that politicians use religion to sucker in voters. Hillary says she's Methodist, but if she's a practicing Christian, then I'm a hard-core Socialist Razz Frankly, religion should not sway any voters one way or the other. It's all right for a politician to have religion, just don't use it to buy votes. Hell, don't even say your religion. Actions speak way louder than words. If I say I'm Christian but then sexually harrass interns, or get drunk and kill a hooker, it makes both me and my "religion" look bad. Just don't say anything, and let people assume.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Re: Church and State. Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
There should be separation, I think everyone can agree on that, but is there? How entwined is the government into the working of the bible?


It depends on region and level.
The more local you get, depending on where you are, the more religion you'll find in government.

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We need to watch how close our government gets to a theocracy.


The government as a whole isn't religious, but everyone brings their religion with them. It's part of how they think.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: Church and State. Reply with quote
Mike wrote:
It's all right for a politician to have religion, just don't use it to buy votes. Hell, don't even say your religion. Actions speak way louder than words.


Voters actually tend to reject the candidates with the least religion. Atheists have literally no chance of getting elected; most of electorate believes that atheists "don't share their vision of american values", or some such thing. They say that more about athiests than about any other group you can think of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I remeber hearing the old crone Katherine Harris saying that if you dont elect christians, sin will be legistlated. Im pretty sure she wanted to say white christians but she didnt wanna piss off the huge Cuban voting block down in Florida. Alot of the Jewish democrats down in Florida really got pissed off over that and then Harris said it was missinterpreted. Hmmmm just like when Amendinijad said that Israel should be wiped off the map that was also misinterpreted and Pat Robertson's called to assasinate Hugo Chavez that was also misinterpreted.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Church and State. Reply with quote
exton wrote:
Mike wrote:
It's all right for a politician to have religion, just don't use it to buy votes. Hell, don't even say your religion. Actions speak way louder than words.


Voters actually tend to reject the candidates with the least religion. Atheists have literally no chance of getting elected; most of electorate believes that atheists "don't share their vision of american values", or some such thing. They say that more about athiests than about any other group you can think of it.


That's what's wrong with the country. Who the hell cares if you call yourself Christian? I could call myself a Muslim, but it wouldn't be true. If people are concerned about moral strength of a candidate, look at his or her past, not whether or not they call themselves Christian. As for Atheism, just because someone's Athiest doesn't make them bad. I'm Christian, personally, but I have an Existentialist friend, a couple of Wiccan friends, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, and Atheist friends, but I don't classify them into religion. I know their religion, but it doesn't change any perceptions of them. To me they're all friends. None of them are especially amoral, most of them are very nice. Why should people care what religion a politician is, just look at his actions, not his religious orientation.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: Church and State. Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
There should be separation, I think everyone can agree on that, but is there? How entwined is the government into the working of the bible? Or is it just that the majority of voters are christian and so the politicians just play to their constituents?

We need to watch how close our government gets to a theocracy.


I definitely agree. I’m Christian, however it’s not fair to make laws regarding only one religion. I disagree with it big time. I have argued with other Christians about this many many times. But I know a few who agree with me so not all Christian’s are like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
chevydriver1123 wrote:
I remeber hearing the old crone Katherine Harris saying that if you dont elect christians, sin will be legistlated.


She was batshit crazy.

Fortunately, the voters noticed too.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 12:28 am    Post subject: Church and state Reply with quote
In Scotland the church and state are completely separate but it seems that our reasons are the opposite of yours!

In past centuries various kings tried to sieze control of the church by appointing their own bishops, (In England they succeded) but after a fair bit of bloodshed they got the message and backed off.

This separation is not as radical as it seems to be in the USA as Christian religious services are allowed in the schools that desire them.
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exton
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: Church and state Reply with quote
Johnguitars wrote:

This separation is not as radical as it seems to be in the USA as Christian religious services are allowed in the schools that desire them.


We have a very diverse religious population, in the USA. As such, you can't have a trully representative government that endorses any one religion.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It seems that Australia is a bit less separate than the U.S. still with the christian political leaders, but it isn't a campaign point, nor do we have public christian schools like I know Canada does.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lincoln was an atheist at one point in his life, and almost none of the Founding Fathers were Christian. Oh, how far we've sunk...
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Lester
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Damn, all these new people, weren't the founding fathers deists?? Although I hear one of them gave it up to be christian later on.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some were deists, some were atheists, some agnostics. I get the feeling that theology wasn't foremost in their minds. They had better things to do.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hence the separation of church and state?
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