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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Show me.


You can see for yourself by looking at what he is being charged with in the courts.

Yes, I was mistaken. What I meant to say was that there was still violence and so on in Iraq but not on the same level as today... Sorry I was mistaken Embarassed


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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yeah, and moving our entire population to Mars is the most efficient solution to THAT problem.


If you get there first, you get to claim it.

Of course, the U.N. will disagree (permanant international territory or some shit), but what are THEY gonna do about it?


I think this can be expanded to what is the UN EVER gonna do?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People have found a way to privatize natural resources so they could keep the money for themselves to maintain their dominance. Wouldn't surprise me if they did go after space.


Fortunately, space is a big place, and the potential imperialists out there have no idea what they're getting into.


to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

to exton: If I was an Imperialist bent on control space, I wouldn't worry about the space part. I would stop people from reaching space. If a country can't be building em shiney ships, then how they gonna compeat. It wouldn't be that hard. But once you have competing powers out there no way to control.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.


Countries in space?

Thats possible, but the technology is far away, your entering the what if gadet area. Valid point, a little exagerated. But please tell me how a few private corps could justily and fairly colonize and utilize space? Not possible a this time and age, too expensive, you need a country with the resources and wealth. ( US ) With desire to expand, ( not complete but imperialistic bias) to jump start. Nothing imperialistic can stand, the people will eventually tire and revolt. I turn to history for proof.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.


Countries in space?

Thats possible, but the technology is far away, your entering the what if gadet area. Valid point, a little exagerated. But please tell me how a few private corps could justily and fairly colonize and utilize space? Not possible a this time and age, too expensive, you need a country with the resources and wealth. ( US ) With desire to expand, ( not complete but imperialistic bias) to jump start. Nothing imperialistic can stand, the people will eventually tire and revolt. I turn to history for proof.


Well I don't think I'm on the same page here but what I was talking about was owning things that could orbit around the world in space. Space + Weapons = Control of Virtually Everything. They wouldn't allow anyone else to build anything in space so that's why I said everyone will be fu**ed. I never said, at least to my knowledge, that it would succeed(because I really think it's impossible. We are just stating some ideas that they might have if they did.). I said that they probably wouldn't mind trying to take a swing at it. I surley wasn't talking about actual countries out there in space orbiting. Too much money for that and it would take some times to build wouldn't you think? Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.


Countries in space?

Thats possible, but the technology is far away, your entering the what if gadet area. Valid point, a little exagerated. But please tell me how a few private corps could justily and fairly colonize and utilize space? Not possible a this time and age, too expensive, you need a country with the resources and wealth. ( US ) With desire to expand, ( not complete but imperialistic bias) to jump start. Nothing imperialistic can stand, the people will eventually tire and revolt. I turn to history for proof.


Well I don't think I'm on the same page here but what I was talking about was owning things that could orbit around the world in space. Space + Weapons = Control of Virtually Everything. They wouldn't allow anyone else to build anything in space so that's why I said everyone will be fu**ed. I never said, at least to my knowledge, that it would succeed(because I really think it's impossible. We are just stating some ideas that they might have if they did.). I said that they probably wouldn't mind trying to take a swing at it. I surley wasn't talking about actual countries out there in space orbiting.


I was refering to your super weapons. I got the drift that you meant they could target anywhere in space. The orbiting weapons are reality, and not far away.

As for your countries, that wasnt reference to tech. That was more of, i doubt there will be countries, first you would have the imperial nations set up protectorates. Then you would get nations.

Colonizing and utilizing space is a great idea, we are just looking at the possible negative aspects.
But space is massive and vast, with outlets for people off world really, things on earth would improve. Natural resources for one, probally the biggest time old conflict starter would be qualed. And also back when the known world was small, and they started expanding the known world, small groups of extremists and intolerated moved with it, finding peace ect. god that was a run on sentence. But really space is really the only hope for mankind.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.


Countries in space?

Thats possible, but the technology is far away, your entering the what if gadet area. Valid point, a little exagerated. But please tell me how a few private corps could justily and fairly colonize and utilize space? Not possible a this time and age, too expensive, you need a country with the resources and wealth. ( US ) With desire to expand, ( not complete but imperialistic bias) to jump start. Nothing imperialistic can stand, the people will eventually tire and revolt. I turn to history for proof.


Well I don't think I'm on the same page here but what I was talking about was owning things that could orbit around the world in space. Space + Weapons = Control of Virtually Everything. They wouldn't allow anyone else to build anything in space so that's why I said everyone will be fu**ed. I never said, at least to my knowledge, that it would succeed(because I really think it's impossible. We are just stating some ideas that they might have if they did.). I said that they probably wouldn't mind trying to take a swing at it. I surley wasn't talking about actual countries out there in space orbiting.


I was refering to your super weapons. I got the drift that you meant they could target anywhere in space. The orbiting weapons are reality, and not far away.

As for your countries, that wasnt reference to tech. That was more of, i doubt there will be countries, first you would have the imperial nations set up protectorates. Then you would get nations.

Colonizing and utilizing space is a great idea, we are just looking at the possible negative aspects.
But space is massive and vast, with outlets for people off world really, things on earth would improve. Natural resources for one, probally the biggest time old conflict starter would be qualed. And also back when the known world was small, and they started expanding the known world, small groups of extremists and intolerated moved with it, finding peace ect. god that was a run on sentence. But really space is really the only hope for mankind.


The reason I'm looking at it in negative aspects is because, for one, look who's behind it. I would really love to see them use it for good but I highly doubt that would be possible. They know if they did have a superweapon in space that would mean control. When you have control, basically, no one can mess with you so you can do what you want. I think the only other hope that is really left, besides space of course, would have to be the people. Everyone has a sense of morality and if we use that then the world would be a better place to live in. Even if there is a relativley small percentage of insane people, I think the people can actually get things done instead of having illegitimate powerful elites telling you what's right and what's wrong.

I really do hope I explained myself correctly
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Nesta13Maldini wrote:
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to nesta: Nothing can change views faster then large sums of cash.

Also I think you would need an imperialistic country to start space expansion on a massive efficient yet corrupt scale. Then once things are set in place call for revolutoin.


Well, the U.S is an Imperialistic country so check. It is also corrupt so check there. Everything you need is something we already have. As for the money thing, I don't see how money can buy space because nobody owns space. If the U.S somehow managed to 'conquer' space, they would try to make a super weapon that could shoot at any place at virtually any time. So if someone gets out of line then you could just either scare or destroy the crap out of that country.


Countries in space?

Thats possible, but the technology is far away, your entering the what if gadet area. Valid point, a little exagerated. But please tell me how a few private corps could justily and fairly colonize and utilize space? Not possible a this time and age, too expensive, you need a country with the resources and wealth. ( US ) With desire to expand, ( not complete but imperialistic bias) to jump start. Nothing imperialistic can stand, the people will eventually tire and revolt. I turn to history for proof.


Well I don't think I'm on the same page here but what I was talking about was owning things that could orbit around the world in space. Space + Weapons = Control of Virtually Everything. They wouldn't allow anyone else to build anything in space so that's why I said everyone will be fu**ed. I never said, at least to my knowledge, that it would succeed(because I really think it's impossible. We are just stating some ideas that they might have if they did.). I said that they probably wouldn't mind trying to take a swing at it. I surley wasn't talking about actual countries out there in space orbiting.


I was refering to your super weapons. I got the drift that you meant they could target anywhere in space. The orbiting weapons are reality, and not far away.

As for your countries, that wasnt reference to tech. That was more of, i doubt there will be countries, first you would have the imperial nations set up protectorates. Then you would get nations.

Colonizing and utilizing space is a great idea, we are just looking at the possible negative aspects.
But space is massive and vast, with outlets for people off world really, things on earth would improve. Natural resources for one, probally the biggest time old conflict starter would be qualed. And also back when the known world was small, and they started expanding the known world, small groups of extremists and intolerated moved with it, finding peace ect. god that was a run on sentence. But really space is really the only hope for mankind.


The reason I'm looking at it in negative aspects is because, for one, look who's behind it. I would really love to see them use it for good but I highly doubt that would be possible. They know if they did have a superweapon in space that would mean control. When you have control, basically, no one can mess with you so you can do what you want. I think the only other hope that is really left, besides space of course, would have to be the people. Everyone has a sense of morality and if we use that then the world would be a better place to live in. Even if there is a relativley small percentage of insane people, I think the people can actually get things done instead of having illegitimate powerful elites telling you what's right and what's wrong.

I really do hope I explained myself correctly


You explained yourself fine. = )

I just think you give people to much credit.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Theres a whole bunch of stuff you don't pay for, especially in the space area, most of the last few space launches have been almost completely funded by other countries. America thinks it's a waste of money, because you know, the worlds doing just fine as it is, it'll sustain us for another million years... NOT. I doubt it will sustain us for another hundred.


yeah, and moving our entire population to Mars is the most efficient solution to THAT problem.


not the entire population, about half of it or something like that.

but your right, it's not the most efficient solution, the most efficient solution is free contraceptives for all and programs like China has for overpopulation.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Lester wrote:
Theres a whole bunch of stuff you don't pay for, especially in the space area, most of the last few space launches have been almost completely funded by other countries. America thinks it's a waste of money, because you know, the worlds doing just fine as it is, it'll sustain us for another million years... NOT. I doubt it will sustain us for another hundred.


yeah, and moving our entire population to Mars is the most efficient solution to THAT problem.


not the entire population, about half of it or something like that.

but your right, it's not the most efficient solution, the most efficient solution is free contraceptives for all and programs like China has for overpopulation.


You just gotta line everyone up

in an equality, and kill everyother person
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Well I don't think I'm on the same page here but what I was talking about was owning things that could orbit around the world in space. Space + Weapons = Control of Virtually Everything. They wouldn't allow anyone else to build anything in space so that's why I said everyone will be fu**ed.


Wouldn't work that way.

If it came to blows, the space race would be over quickly. A single large nuclear warhead detonated at a high altitude could knock out most, if not all, of the satelites in orbit. Not from the explosion, but from the electromagnetic radiation.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Lester wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Lester wrote:
Theres a whole bunch of stuff you don't pay for, especially in the space area, most of the last few space launches have been almost completely funded by other countries. America thinks it's a waste of money, because you know, the worlds doing just fine as it is, it'll sustain us for another million years... NOT. I doubt it will sustain us for another hundred.


yeah, and moving our entire population to Mars is the most efficient solution to THAT problem.


not the entire population, about half of it or something like that.

but your right, it's not the most efficient solution, the most efficient solution is free contraceptives for all and programs like China has for overpopulation.


You just gotta line everyone up

in an equality, and kill everyother person


Well, thats not the most efficient way because you' inevitabley kill some top of the field scientists and stuff, and then we'd have to wait to teach more.

It's also not Chinas program, they just place big taxes on families with over two children.

Stop listening to the church people! I mean really, six point six billion people and your *still* screwing??
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Docsmitter wrote:
Lester wrote:
PeaceLoveandRockNRoll wrote:
Lester wrote:
Theres a whole bunch of stuff you don't pay for, especially in the space area, most of the last few space launches have been almost completely funded by other countries. America thinks it's a waste of money, because you know, the worlds doing just fine as it is, it'll sustain us for another million years... NOT. I doubt it will sustain us for another hundred.


yeah, and moving our entire population to Mars is the most efficient solution to THAT problem.


not the entire population, about half of it or something like that.

but your right, it's not the most efficient solution, the most efficient solution is free contraceptives for all and programs like China has for overpopulation.


You just gotta line everyone up

in an equality, and kill everyother person


Well, thats not the most efficient way because you' inevitabley kill some top of the field scientists and stuff, and then we'd have to wait to teach more.

It's also not Chinas program, they just place big taxes on families with over two children.

Stop listening to the church people! I mean really, six point six billion people and your *still* screwing??


I would strongly support a two pronged, government+church ad campaign promoting the idea of having two children or less in your lifetime. None of this, "two cells is a baby, God hates condoms, go forth and multiply" jazz.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I liked how the other day on news they called it "space debree".

That's a nice way of saying "the shit that's collected from us going into space".
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