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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The measurements about their hypothetical effects on our Universe yes, but the branes themselves, as far as we know now, cannot be measured (ie. we cannot empirically verify that there are other Universes, but if we knew through other means that other Universes do exist, we cannot, as far as we know, measure the properties of those Universes).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Evilution Reply with quote
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That statement reminds me of a "story" that religious circles tell to combat the problem with evil and the existance of God.


The professor of a university challenged his students with this question; "Did God create everything that exists?"

A student answered bravely, "Yes, he did".

The professor then asked, "If God created everything, then he created evil. Since evil exists (as noticed by our own actions), so God is evil. The student couldn't respond to that statement causing the professor to conclude that he had "proved" that "belief in God" was a fairy tale, and therefore worthless.

Another student raised his hand and asked the professor, "May I pose a question? "

"Of course" answered the professor.

The young student stood up and asked: "Professor does Cold exist?"

The professor answered, "What kind of question is that? Of course the cold exists... haven't you ever been cold?"

The young student answered, "In fact sir, Cold does not exist. According to the laws of Physics, what we consider cold, in fact is the absence of heat. Anything is able to be studied as long as it transmits energy(heat). Absolute Zero is the total absence of heat, but cold does not exist. What we have done is create a term to describe how we feel if we don't have body heat or we are not hot."

"And, does Dark exist?", the student continued.

The professor answered "Of course.

This time the student responded, "Again you're wrong, Sir. Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in fact simply the absence of light. Light can be studied, darkness can not. Darkness cannot be broken down. A simple ray of light tears the darkness and illuminates the surface where the light beam finishes. Dark is a term that we humans have created to describe what happens when there's lack of light."

Finally, the student asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

The professor replied, "Of course it exists, as I mentioned at the beginning, we see violations, crimes and violence anywhere in the world, and those things are evil."

The student responded, "Sir, evil does not exist. Just as in the previous cases, Evil is a term which man has created to describe the result of the absence of God's presence in the hearts of man.

After this, the professor bowed down his head, and didn't answer back.

The young man's name was Albert Einstein.


To make this completely clear, Albert Einstein did not say this, nor is it known if the "story" is even remotely factual. It is yet another myth, passed off as truth, by the largest con system in the world, religious believers.... Not to mention the fallacies that are riddled throughout the story.


I am curious with regard to this letter... mostly the two statements I made bold within the letter... are they true statements scientifically speaking??
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Oh that's not what i'm worried about. Although hatred and bigotry still survive, most people really do wish others the best in life.

The problem is that most people don't know what to do about that. A very stupid decision, made with the best intentions, can be (and is) every bit as destructive as an intentionally evil decision.

The worst of it is that people are less inclined to second-guess stupid ideas, because they don't instinctively recoil from the intentions of such ideas.


But isn't that life period. We make choices, then learn from the choices we make (well in theory we should learn from them). If the outcome is not what we had hoped or expected, then we try and find where the error was and work on making a better choice.

I agree whole heartedly with your later statement, people are less likely to 2nd guess stupid choices... just look where the last 6 years of stupid choices made for us... and us going along with them... has gotten us.

I would be willing to try an alternate choice...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller wrote:
The measurements about their hypothetical effects on our Universe yes, but the branes themselves, as far as we know now, cannot be measured (ie. we cannot empirically verify that there are other Universes, but if we knew through other means that other Universes do exist, we cannot, as far as we know, measure the properties of those Universes).


Perhaps it is just a matter of time (no pun intended there...smile) before the technology is developed to allow you to measure the properties of those universes.

Just a thought Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
MissLisa- While it's true that darkness and cold are merely names for the absence of light and the absence of heat, that does not mean that they do not exist, it just means they are a measure of the absence of the heat and light.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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But isn't that life period. We make choices, then learn from the choices we make (well in theory we should learn from them). If the outcome is not what we had hoped or expected, then we try and find where the error was and work on making a better choice.


Failure is almost certain, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try as hard as possible to minimize it. There is no valid excuse for making stupid decisions when the information to avoid doing so is available.

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I agree whole heartedly with your later statement, people are less likely to 2nd guess stupid choices... just look where the last 6 years of stupid choices made for us... and us going along with them... has gotten us.


Which is why i think that they're substantially more dangerous.

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I would be willing to try an alternate choice...


Alternate to...what?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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MissLisa- While it's true that darkness and cold are merely names for the absence of light and the absence of heat, that does not mean that they do not exist, it just means they are a measure of the absence of the heat and light.


Thank you for your reply Lester. I personally found the story wonderful, regardless if it actually "happened" or it was a short story someone wrote... and I want to post it on my Spiritual Awareness forum... but wanted to make sure the first two facts were valid.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Failure is almost certain, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try as hard as possible to minimize it. There is no valid excuse for making stupid decisions when the information to avoid doing so is available.


Sort of like invading Iran next... against the wishes of congress and the american people. Then you have one person who seems to be in absolute power saying.. doesn't matter, I made my choice.

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I would be willing to try an alternate choice...

Alternate to...what?


My entire reply to you was with the thought of what is happening in the world...

I would be willing to risk supporting one perceivably stupid idea about how to bring peace to this world.. than one obviously stupid choice on how to escalate hate in this world.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Perhaps it is just a matter of time (no pun intended there...smile) before the technology is developed to allow you to measure the properties of those universes.

Just a thought Wink


I don't see how this would be possible if those other universes or the mediums through which we would "communicate" were governed by different physical laws. The very technology that we construct in this Universe is still subject to the physical laws of this Universe. Essentially, it wouldn't operate in other universes. It would....disintegrate? I'm not even sure what would happen to our stuff in other universes with different laws, but I can tell you it ain't gona be pretty.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I would be willing to risk supporting one perceivably stupid idea about how to bring peace to this world.. than one obviously stupid choice on how to escalate hate in this world.


Sometimes, the best decision is to not decide.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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MissLisa wrote:

I would be willing to risk supporting one perceivably stupid idea about how to bring peace to this world.. than one obviously stupid choice on how to escalate hate in this world.


Sometimes, the best decision is to not decide.


That is the sort of decision I have made with elections. But then again, some choices are simply an illusion of choice... with the decision already preplanned prior to the choice being offered.

We have seen what that no other decision (no one else making choice's that we have to choose from) has gotten us over the last 6 years!!

But like with everything in life... it's all a matter of perception. Some people see things currently as not so bad... other... terrible. Some want other choices... some do not.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller wrote:
MissLisa wrote:
Perhaps it is just a matter of time (no pun intended there...smile) before the technology is developed to allow you to measure the properties of those universes.

Just a thought Wink


I don't see how this would be possible if those other universes or the mediums through which we would "communicate" were governed by different physical laws. The very technology that we construct in this Universe is still subject to the physical laws of this Universe. Essentially, it wouldn't operate in other universes. It would....disintegrate? I'm not even sure what would happen to our stuff in other universes with different laws, but I can tell you it ain't gona be pretty.


Well my my CryxicKiller... was that a ting of humor I heard at the end of your post?? Very Happy

If and when those "other" physical laws are understood (and eventually things do become understood as technology advances)..science can begin to create technologies according to the other laws. Doubt it will happen within our lifetime... but... it is possible!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller,

I just followed your wikipedia link... you are actually my neighbor!! Talk about a small world! Surprised

I do want to ask you something, completely off topic here... but something my psychology professor brought up as field of interest for me. Are you familiar with Biopsychology?? I am trying to research that field and looking for as much input as I can (pro and con of course).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, it's impossible. If you're talking about this problem in a scientific context and not a New Age context, then it is not possible. If you had in mind that "do whatever you think" stuff then I'm sure it's "possible." You can't make a measuring device according to the laws of this Universe and hope that it works in another universe with different laws. There'd be so many things wrong with that, on top of my head I'm thinking about information processing, which would be completely screwed up. Even if we could get the device to physically "survive" in another universe, it's almost certain that we would lose contact with it or that even if, quasi-miraculously, we could maintain contact, the information we'd be receiving would be completely bogus.

Mmmm I don't know much about biopsychology. I've heard it's a cool field though. When you say I'm your "neighbor," do you mean that you live close to UVA?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
CryxicKiller wrote:
No, it's impossible. If you're talking about this problem in a scientific context and not a New Age context, then it is not possible. If you had in mind that "do whatever you think" stuff then I'm sure it's "possible." You can't make a measuring device according to the laws of this Universe and hope that it works in another universe with different laws. There'd be so many things wrong with that, on top of my head I'm thinking about information processing, which would be completely screwed up. Even if we could get the device to physically "survive" in another universe, it's almost certain that we would lose contact with it or that even if, quasi-miraculously, we could maintain contact, the information we'd be receiving would be completely bogus.

Mmmm I don't know much about biopsychology. I've heard it's a cool field though. When you say I'm your "neighbor," do you mean that you live close to UVA?


With regards to your first paragraph... I am not involving my new age ideals (smile).... but just the idea that technology progresses (this is not new age, it is fact). The more we understand, the more we develop, the more we get to understand... and the process goes on and on. There once was a time people were sure we could never touch the moon let alone mars... now it is nothing but a thing. So all I was saying, as our understandings and technology advance... so will the day we know how to make things according to laws of other universes.

Now to your latter question... I attend Thomas Nelson Community College... about 1.5 hours from you!!
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