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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
For *non-fiction*, this means that people have researched all it's claims.

Just because your right-brained doesn't mean you should take it out on those that accomplish in a left-brained area.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
For *non-fiction*, this means that people have researched all it's claims.


The folks that do the pulitzer prize don't seem to think so.

19. What are the criteria for the judging of The Pulitzer Prizes?
There are no set criteria for the judging of the Prizes. The definitions of each category (see Entry Forms or History page) are the only guidelines. It is left up to the Nominating Juries and The Pulitzer Prize Board to determine exactly what makes a work "distinguished."


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While the journalism process goes forward, shipments of books totaling some 1,000 titles are being sent to five letters juries for their judging in these categories:
For distinguished fiction by an American author, preferably dealing with American life.
For a distinguished book upon the history of the United States.
For a distinguished biography or autobiography by an American author.
For a distinguished volume of original verse by an American author.
For a distinguished book of non-fiction by an American author that is not eligible for consideration in any other category.


http://www.pulitzer.org/resources/answers.html#19
http://www.pulitzer.org/history.html#letdefs


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Just because your right-brained doesn't mean you should take it out on those that accomplish in a left-brained area.


...i'm questioning the scientific credibility of a book. I'm sure it's a great read, but that's not the issue at hand.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
"The definitions of each category."

The catergory is non-fiction.

That means *true*.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
No, "non-fiction" that means that the author alleges that the book is not a work of his or her imagination.

It does *not* mean that it is factually correct; it only means that it claims to be factually correct, or that it is thought that is based on things that are claimed to be factually correct.

For example, remember that book ann coulter wrote, called "godless: the church of liberalism"?

That's non-fiction. No joke.
http://www.amazon.com/Godless-.....1400054206
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
But this one won a pulitzer prize, people have checked to make sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
No lester, that's not how it works. I can see why you would assume that, but it's not the case.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Of course it is. The book is considered an authority on the subject yea?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
...and 'round we come. Authority is proof of nothing; it certainly is not proof of factual validity.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's considered an authority because people have checked the science behind it, it says right there in the thing you posted, it's catergory is non-fiction, therefore to apply it would have to be just that, truth.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
gahhhhh

Okay, from wiki:

Non-fiction is an account or representation of a subject which is presented as fact. This presentation may be accurate or not; that is, it can give either a true or a false account of the subject in question. However, it is generally assumed that the authors of such accounts believe them to be truthful at the time of their composition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fiction
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Psychiatry is a lot like philosophy, you have to look at it based on it's prestige, for instance, Kant's work is considered to be mostly truthful, but it's not backed by empirical data.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Do you or do you not accept the fact that a "non-fiction" book does not necessarily describe the actual truth?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Inasmuch as anything that claims to be true doesn't neccesarily describe it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
And do you therefore accept that the book in question doesn't necessarily represent the truth merely because it is a well-received piece of non-fiction literature?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Inasmuch as Darwins 'Origin of Species' doesn't neccesarily represent the truth merely because it is a well-received piece of non-fiction literature.
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