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Anym
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Yeah and I am sure our enemies will follow right behind us, or they will conquer us and convert us all to Muslims or Commies, depends on who gets to us first.
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Stupid conservative realist ideas foreign relations. Did you learn nothing for cold war? Hell Reagan didn't go to war he used words to end a crisis.
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Rhaskill
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| In times of peace you prepare for war. Do you seriously belive that if we gave up our bombs and military that the rest of the world would follow suit and we would all sit around the fire holding hands and singing no that wouldn't happen it's insane. Our enemies would simply know they could attack us with no punishments (i.e. say you go to a rough bar and your a peaceful guy that doesn't mean no ones going to pick a fight with you and if you tell the guy you won't fight back no matter what isn't goin to make him change his mind). Chamberlin secured Germany's safety and that worked out well for everyone. Reagan was able to secure peace because he had force to back it up and they were afraid of him (If you walk into the bar standing 6 foot 4 250 lb's ripped with muscles massive arms maybe a few large friends no one's going to mess with you and if they do good luck to them a good analogy of "walk softly and carry a big stick" if I do say so myself). Here's another qoute for you "Paul Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight but raging bill (who killed him) thought it right." |
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Anym
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[quote="Rhaskill"]In times of peace you prepare for war. Do you seriously belive that if we gave up our bombs and military that the rest of the world would follow suit and we would all sit around the fire holding hands and singing no that wouldn't happen it's insane.
Worked for Sweden.
Our enemies would simply know they could attack us with no punishments (i.e. say you go to a rough bar and your a peaceful guy that doesn't mean no ones going to pick a fight with you and if you tell the guy you won't fight back no matter what isn't goin to make him change his mind).
That's Why you need the ICJ and the ICC.
Chamberlain secured Germany's safety and that worked out well for everyone.
Wilt?
Reagan was able to secure peace because he had force to back it up and they were afraid of him (If you walk into the bar standing 6 foot 4 250 lb's ripped with muscles massive arms maybe a few large friends no one's going to mess with you and if they do good luck to them a good analogy of "walk softly and carry a big stick" if I do say so myself).
Yea but Reagan was a feeble minded octogenarian
with a lot of nukes.it was only because of Bush41's knowledge of the world that we still exist today.
Here's another qoute for you "Paul Yea Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight but raging bill (who killed him) thought it right."[
Same quote you used before dummy./quote] |
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Lester
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| Lets give up Americas nuclear bombs, you know, lead by example. |
this is what i keep saying...until then we have no right telling others not to have them
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Hell yea!
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exton
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[quote="Rhaskill"]In times of peace you prepare for war.
I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war. — Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
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| If you walk into the bar standing 6 foot 4 250 lb's ripped with muscles massive arms maybe a few large friends no one's going to mess with you and if they do good luck to them a good analogy of "walk softly and carry a big stick" if I do say so myself |
And therein lies the problem. Real life - in the big picture - doesn't work that way.
What happens when you get in a bar fight? You could end up dead, but more likely you'll end up bruised, and maybe in jail. Everyone else in the world (and the bar, mostly) is just fine.
With war, that's not the case.
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SteelCityConservative
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| Anym wrote: |
| SteelCityConservative wrote: |
Yeah and I am sure our enemies will follow right behind us, or they will conquer us and convert us all to Muslims or Commies, depends on who gets to us first.
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Stupid conservative realist ideas foreign relations. Did you learn nothing for cold war? Hell Reagan didn't go to war he used words to end a crisis.
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Ya while strengthening our military and refunsing to give up our own nukes. Get it Right. Reagan said Peace through Strength because he knew if we were weak we would be destroyed.
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SteelCityConservative
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[quote="jusdeadphunky"]
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| jusdeadphunky wrote: |
| Lester wrote: |
| Lets give up Americas nuclear bombs, you know, lead by example. |
this is what i keep saying...until then we have no right telling others not to have them
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or perhaps we can bomb the world into being evangelical, corporate-slave christians. you would like that, wouldn't you.
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yea because that has worked every other time in history stupid fucks tried to implement that policy.
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And when did I say that? Go ahead put words in my mouth. When have we ever done this? They called for a holy war not us, don't forget it.
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jusdeadphunky
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[quote="SteelCityConservative"]
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| And when did I say that? Go ahead put words in my mouth. |
how did i put words in your mouth? by saying that you would like it? okay...
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| When have we ever done this? They called for a holy war not us, don't forget it. |
who called for holy war on us? the guy who was on CIA payroll?
there are people in this country who claim that god caused katrina and is killing our soldiers because of fags.
there are people in this country who wish all minorities dead.
so what, big fucking deal!
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Lester
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| SteelCityConservative wrote: |
| Anym wrote: |
| SteelCityConservative wrote: |
Yeah and I am sure our enemies will follow right behind us, or they will conquer us and convert us all to Muslims or Commies, depends on who gets to us first.
Peace Through Strength-RR |
Stupid conservative realist ideas foreign relations. Did you learn nothing for cold war? Hell Reagan didn't go to war he used words to end a crisis.
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Ya while strengthening our military and refunsing to give up our own nukes. Get it Right. Reagan said Peace through Strength because he knew if we were weak we would be destroyed.
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The reason they want to destroy you is because you are strong, the reason they justify their actions is because you are strong, the reason they hate you is because of what you do with that strength.
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SteelCityConservative
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well...iran is not an arab nation.
i do not think anyone wants iran to have nukes, but in order for iran to not feel the need to have them, their safety needs to be guaranteed by the u.s. and israel.
still according to estimates iran is a decade away from being able to possess nuclear weapons. |
Estimates is the key word there. Isn't it funny how when it comes to national debt Bush is blamed for passing the problem on to the next generation, when there is a growing Nuclear threat in Iran and all the liberals in the world want to pass it on to the next generation.
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Raibeart
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| SteelCityConservative wrote: |
| jusdeadphunky wrote: |
well...iran is not an arab nation.
i do not think anyone wants iran to have nukes, but in order for iran to not feel the need to have them, their safety needs to be guaranteed by the u.s. and israel.
still according to estimates iran is a decade away from being able to possess nuclear weapons. |
Estimates is the key word there. Isn't it funny how when it comes to national debt Bush is blamed for passing the problem on to the next generation, when there is a growing Nuclear threat in Iran and all the liberals in the world want to pass it on to the next generation.
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Once the genie is out of the bottle!!!!!!!
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exton
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| there is a growing Nuclear threat in Iran |
Prove it.
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