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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:02 am    Post subject: 5 reasons why israel should not be supported Reply with quote
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5 reasons why Israel shouldn't be supported


1 Israel Is Illegally Occupying Palestine

Under UN Resolution 242, Israel is required by international law to withdraw from all the territories occupied in 1967, including East Jerusalem. The United Nation's General Assembly has repeatedly condemned Israel's occupation of the territories as illegal (see UN resolutions 338, 1397, and 1402, among others). Israel's continued occupation of Palestine, sanctioned and maintained by the US, is one of the most serious obstructions to a just and lasting peace in the Middle East.

"You must end the illegal occupation."

Kofi Annan, addressing Israel in a meeting of the UN Security Council, March 12, 2002


2 Israel Systematically Violates the Human Rights of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories

Each day, Israeli security forces in the West Bank and Gaza violate articles of the 4th Geneva Convention on Human Rights, an agreement that governs wartime rules of engagement and to which Israel is a signatory. Palestinian homes and agriculture fields are routinely demolished to make way for illegal Israeli settlements. Israeli soldiers regularly arrest and detain--often for years-- Palestinians without due process. According to Amnesty International, members of the Israeli security forces regularly use torture and prolonged incommunicado detention against Palestinians.

3 Israel is an Apartheid State

Israel has developed an elaborate system of racial discrimination, embedded in its legal system, rivaling Apartheid South Africa's laws. These laws include the Law of Entry, the Law of Return, the Citizenship Law, the Military Service Law, and a host of legally sanctioned, discriminatory rabbinical rulings. Palestinians are denied various welfare benefits, access to many jobs, and the leasing of homes and land controlled by government bodies. Electricity, sewerage, and roads are provided free to Israeli households, whereas many Palestinian communities in Israel, and especially in the Occupied Territories, have existed for decades without adequate services. Laws governing land ownership such as the Law of Acquisition of Absentee Property and the Law for Acquisition of Land blatantly discriminate against Palestinians. Indeed, land ownership in Palestine is more unjust than it ever wasin South Africa; at the height of apartheid, black people nominally `controlled' 13 percent of the land, whereas in Israel the Palestinians control only 2 percent of the land.
Blockades which allow settlers free movement but restrict Palestinians have lost 100,000 workers their jobs. The Israeli government issues identification cards and car number-plates, color coded, which restrict travel for non-Jews. Palestinians in the West Bank are routinely prevented from travelling to the Gaza Strip because they have to travel through `Israeli' territory. No significant industry has been permitted to develop in the West Bank or Gaza. Consequently, Palestinians are concentrated in the lowest paying jobs and form a super-exploited labour force for Israeli capital. The occupied territories import 93% of goods but export a mere 7% of what they produce. Palestinian exports to Western Europe are banned so as not to compete with Israeli exports. Ninety percent of Palestinian workers must travel to Jewish towns for employment.


"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and West Bank could describe events in South Africa."

Archbishop Desmond Tutu

4 US Military Aid to Israel Violates US Law

The US Arms Export Control Act (AECA) strictly forbids the government from giving military assistance to any country that violates internationally recognized human <myspace>right</myspace>s. The State Department's 2001 human <myspace>right</myspace>s report states: "Israeli security units often used excessive force against Palestinian demonstrators including live fire ... impeded the provision of medical assistance to Palestinian civilians by their strict enforcement of internal closures, which reportedly contributed to at least 32 deaths. Israeli security forces harassed and abused Palestinian pedestrians and drivers who were attempting to pass through the more than 130 Israeli- controlled checkpoints ..." Under the AECA, "the President is required to report to Congress promptly upon the receipt of information that a substantial violation of AECA may have occurred." The US government is fully aware of the Israeli army's human <myspace>right</myspace>s violations, as the above quote from the State Department shows. The US government has eroded its own credibility as an impartial mediator by continuing to arm Israel without restriction and allowing these weapons to be used against civilian populations in violation of US law.


5 US Military Aid to Israel threatens US Security and Global Stability

US funding of Israel's human <myspace>right</myspace>s abuses fuels resentment towards the US. While the rest of the world strongly condemns Israels occupation of the Palestinian Territories, the american government provides the political, diplomatic and material means for the occupation to continue. Such actions by the US government provoke anti-US sentiment throughout the world, ultimately jeopardizing the safety of people living in the US. The US can build its own security only by gaining the trust and respect of the international community.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I don't get this "support israel" stuff.

I mean, i certainly support the health and well-being if israelis, just as i do for all people.

But that's entirely different from letting them screw around with our weapons and money.

It's more like, "spoiling israel".
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
exton wrote:
I don't get this "support israel" stuff.

I mean, i certainly support the health and well-being if israelis, just as i do for all people.

But that's entirely different from letting them screw around with our weapons and money.

It's more like, "spoiling israel".


haha i like the way you put that.

i am all about human rights and because of the umbilical chord israel has connected to the u.s., they are able to restrict the human rights of the palestinians.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
no one pays attention to history anymore... only rhetoric. The jews made the rules up as they went along, and we went along with 'em without any persuasion. and now the friggin right wing religious loonies have the whole situation wrapped up in their own backward ass vision of the rapture. Bush and his cronies cant wait for world war three...its bible prophecy apparently
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?


The middle east.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?


The middle east.


i am as calm about it as i can be.
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jusdeadphunky
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
timmytuite wrote:
no one pays attention to history anymore... only rhetoric. The jews made the rules up as they went along, and we went along with 'em without any persuasion. and now the friggin right wing religious loonies have the whole situation wrapped up in their own backward ass vision of the rapture. Bush and his cronies cant wait for world war three...its bible prophecy apparently


i love how the rapture is not even a story from the bible and these people are all about making it come true.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?


The middle east.


i am as calm about it as i can be.


I meant the people who are in the middle east...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?


The middle east.


i am as calm about it as i can be.


I meant the people who are in the middle east...


it would be nice but how can you calm down when living under tyrannical occupations?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Israel is our ally so they should be supported BUT they shouldnt be supported so blindly like we have been doing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
chevydriver1123 wrote:
Israel is our ally so they should be supported BUT they shouldnt be supported so blindly like we have been doing.


i love it that people in this forum are actually looking at the situation rationally!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
chevydriver1123 wrote:
Israel is our ally so they should be supported


But what does that mean? When you say, "we should support israel", what, exactly, do you mean by that?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
jusdeadphunky wrote:
Lester wrote:
Everybody needs to just calm the fuck down.


about what?


The middle east.


i am as calm about it as i can be.


I meant the people who are in the middle east...


it would be nice but how can you calm down when living under tyrannical occupations?


The ones imposing those conditions need to calm the fuck down too.
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